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submitted 6 days ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/32127354

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[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

Do we get to steal all the boomers houses in this last scenario, are we going full Mao?

[-] [email protected] 43 points 6 days ago

Copying my own comment from when this was posted last year:

Every time I see this quaint but misleading image reposted it's necessary to make the same comment: the words attached to each image are do not exclusively represent those images. "Equality" could apply to all but the first; nobody uses "equity" this way; and most people use "justice" to refer to criminal justice and punishment.

[-] [email protected] 10 points 5 days ago

This ai generated crap does less than nothing to promote communism.

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[-] [email protected] 13 points 6 days ago

Sorry, what is even happening in the last panel? Why does this art look so weird when you look at the people closely? Was this picture AI generated?

[-] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago

Yup, it’s all AI, at least the images and copyright.

[-] [email protected] 14 points 6 days ago

capitalism: nuking the tree to mine for lithium

[-] [email protected] 12 points 6 days ago

Communism will never, has never and can never work on a large scale.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago

Yeah, because authoritarian systems always fail, without exception

The only real solution is to remove authority and bring society to adult level - better the other way round though.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago

remove adults and bring all the kids to the authoritarian level. Check.

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[-] [email protected] 7 points 6 days ago

ai slop with ai generated citation text...

[-] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago

Wow I almost didn’t catch it - you’re right, it is slop. Sorry you’re being downvoted.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago

Where is the justice for everyone that Stalin killed by sending them to gulags? To Siberia? Where is the justice for those killed by Khmer Rouge?

[-] [email protected] -4 points 5 days ago

The US is capitalist and has greater gulags than Russia ever could and regularly kills and enslaves millions.

[-] [email protected] 8 points 5 days ago

We all know that capitalism is bad. It doesn't automatically make communism good.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago

not even "better".

[-] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago

Whataboutism doesn't answer the question.

[-] [email protected] -2 points 5 days ago

Sure it does. Hypocrisy has to be eliminated from the equation first.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

No, it responds to the question. Waiting for a perfect hero before calling out problems is an excellent way to enable all kinds of atrocities.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago

what a kludge justice is.

[-] [email protected] -2 points 5 days ago

The central committee decreed that the orchard was to be collectivized, and many ladders built and distributed. But when the trees belong to everyone they belong to nobody, and that is who is motivated to care for them. So there would be no apples that year, only tears.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago

Because community gardens always get destroyed ...

[-] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago

Community gardens still divide the space into individual plots. If I grow a bunch of jalapeño peppers on my plot then it’s not cool if you just come along and harvest them all.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 4 days ago

A hobby operated by volunteers isn't load-bearing. Forced collectivization invariably leads to disaster.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

No, it doesn’t … You have a central authority that makes sure that doesn’t happen or the community makes sure that doesn’t happen like how hippies grow their own food

[-] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago

The Soviet Union and Maoist China both had central authorities and millions of people starved to death because of collectivization. Do you think they just weren't trying hard enough?

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

This is such a bad faith and ignorant argument.

There were literally famines before Stalin and Mao. And both places were being invaded by other countries, and had their own farmers sabotage the crops to make people raise up against the government. Also, once that was taken care of, nobody ever died of a famine even under Stalin or Mao and let alone after them.

Lets talk about how Britain purposefully created a famine that killed millions of Irish and Indians, shall we? And how European powers take away food security from Africa, and millions starve to death every year under capitalism.

[-] [email protected] -1 points 2 days ago

The Holodomor happened years before the second world war started, The Great Leap Forward was over a decade after it had ended. Both of these were man-made famines inflicted during peacetime by communist governments upon their own people. Millions of people do not starve every year under capitalism, that's just ridiculous.

Why would we talk about how empires treat their conquered subjects? That has nothing to do with capitalism and communism, you're just trying to change the subject. I'm defending empires, war and conquest are terrible no matter who's doing it.

Ignorance and bad faith? Every accusation is a confession.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago

Still ignorant and bad faith arguments that lacks any historical nuance

The Holodomor happened years before the second world war started

The USSR was being under constant invasions by the world powers that didn’t want to allow a socialist state to exist. Add to that, that the kulaks sabotaged their own crops to make people revolt and overthrow the socialist government.

The Great Leap Forward was over a decade after it had ended.

China was a poor agrarian country which infrastructure was destroyed by Japan. It constantly had famines that killed people even before that. Mao just couldn’t fix the issues that caused famine fast enough for another one not to repeat.

Literally millions of people starve in Africa due to not having enough money to eat, and due to the privatization of food and fields. That is capitalism. It is insane that you would say otherwise. And even in America lots of people are food insecure. And a capitalist nation Israel has killed like 100k people and a capitalist nation Germany killed 50 Million people.

Colonization is part of capitalism. Imperialism is the highest stage of capitalism and so is fascism

Begone capitalist bootlicker

[-] [email protected] 0 points 1 day ago

When was the Soviet Union invaded? Other than the Nazi betrayal of the plan to divide Europe between them and the Soviets, which happened years after the end of the Holodomor, the USSR was the one on the offensive during this period, for example in Afghanistan, China, Finland, Hungary, Czechoslovakia.

Gosh, I wonder why someone whose only crime was being a bit more successful than the average peasant might have been angry about seeing their friends and family murdered, having their livelihood taken away, or watching some aparatchik experiment on their society with some economic system he's only ever read about. Yes, that one's a real mystery to me.

China was indeed quite backwards and devastated by the Japanese invasion and the civil war, but somehow severe famine didn't occur until after the communist victory and a decade of reconstruction. It was caused by Mao's Great Leap Forward, imposed from above by people who had clearly read extensively about political philosophy and never agriculture.

Subsistence farming in sub-saharan Africa has very little to do with capitalism. Where are the capitalists? There is essentially no capital! Feudal warlordism is a bad system, but trying to use it to criticize something completely different is nonsense. The food situation in America could hardly be more different, even during severe recessions essentially nobody starves, and in fact one of the biggest public health challenges they're facing is that even relatively poor people have access to so much cheap, appetizing, calorie-dense food that without taking steps to avoid it they become severely obese.

Countries fight wars of conquest independent of their economic system, essentially any country strong enough to impose their will on others will almost certainly do so sooner or later, as we've seen throughout all of human history under a variety of economic and political systems. Trying to somehow tie the crimes of Israel and and Nazi Germany to their economic system while ignoring all other factors shows how weak your argument is - you are unable to criticize capitalism directly so you instead take a stab at guilt by association. Perhaps the problem is having too much power concentrated in the hands of leaders? Nope, it's definitely because businesses are privately owned. Surely Palestinian Nationalists and Zionists would get along if only there were bread lines.

Ignorance is when your opponent reads history, bad faith is when he refuses to accept your twisted interpretation of it. Thank you for enlightening me. You would have to be willfully blind to still believe Marxism offers real solutions and that actual existing communism is preferable to capitalist democracy, even with its many shortcomings, after having witnessed the events of the 20th century.

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