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I really don't like the design of the progress pride flag, and I couldn't really put my finger on it until I saw this: https://nava.org/good-flag-bad-flag

For reference, here is the flag I'm referencing as "bad flag":

And here is the original:

So, the original has too many colors, but it's the colors of the rainbow. In order. It's recognizable from really far away, and it's dead simple to draw.

With the Intersex flag, that's 14 colors. There are three shades of "purple". The circle won't be visible from far away. The chevrons are too thin to be very recognizable from far away.

It's not like there aren't good pride flags. Like there are AMAZING ones:

Edit:

In case you don't know what these are: https://flagsforgood.com/collections/pride-flags

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[-] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

it's a long time meme that pretty much all LGBT flags are awfully designed. but they also got wide acceptance so it's hard to redesign. as a designer I've looked for redesigns and have not seen anything really. even the ones you've shared are brand new to me. where did you find those?

[-] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago

What annoys me about takes like this is that it seems to be appealing to some sort of council of gays who are in charge of the flags. Nobody is. There's no "official" flag. If you don't like the progress flag or the intersex version of it then just don't fly them or design your own that you do like. Nobody is stopping you. A ton of the pride flags in use today are just designed by random Tumblr users in the mid '10s. Which is fine, not hating on them, just making sure you know there is nothing stopping you from making one you like or flying the ones you prefer.

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[-] [email protected] 22 points 1 day ago

I'm of the option that the original rainbow flag is still the best. It was meant to include everyone under the rainbow so trans people and others are already included.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 20 hours ago

The Progress flag stands for the progress that has been made and the progress that STILL NEEDS TO BE MADE against racism and transphobia as well as memorializing those we lost to AIDS.

So yes, while the original flag is meant to include all the LGBT+ communities, progress stands for more than inclusion for a lot of us ✌️

[-] [email protected] 1 points 12 hours ago

My problems with the progress flag and the trans rainbow flag are not with the groups or ideas they are ment to express.

First like OP I think they are bad flag designs. To busy and lack the simple design a flag should have. I also just don't like the look.

Second there is value in a consistent recognizable design like the rainbow. I spot all sorts of variants and often don't know what they are supposed to mean.

I also don't think there should be spefic meaning to the parts. Saying this color stripe is this group and that color is another group is problematic.

The rainbow colors were meant to symbolize broad inclusion. Everybody under the rainbow. Red isn't gay, blue isn't lesbian, etc. (I know some have tried to add that after the fact).

When you start adding spefic groups to the flag you start having included groups and excluded groups. So as much as I support trans rights and think they belong in the community I don't want any spefic group in the flag.

You then get groups that are not included and want a new flag to included them. Like we are seeing with the trans flag causing groups to want the progress flag. Pretty soon the rainbow is going to look like nascar with logos everywhere.

A simple consistent flag with the message of broad inclusion is better.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 12 hours ago

I think you're missing the forest for the trees and I don't think I'll be engaging with your slippery slope argument ✌️

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[-] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

I'm pretty picky about flags but I like the progress pride flag well enough. not over the moon about it, but I fly it outside my house during June. If you can make a better one, it's always okay to attempt to do so.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

The progress flag is copyrighted by one Daniel Quasar, and he sporadically exercises his copyright on people who use or sell designs involving the progress flag. Or so I've heard. Anyway, for this reason, I avoid using it.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 20 hours ago

The primary reason it's copyrighted is to prevent corporations from profiting off of it.

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[-] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

i was sceptical of this claim but it appears you're dead right

Most people do not know about this flag’s origins. Its creator appropriated Gilbert Baker’s 1978 rainbow flag and the light blue, pink, and white stripes from the 1999 trans pride flag created by Monica Helms (without even a call to her), and the black and brown stripes from the 2017 More Colors More Pride Flag designed in partnership with Philadelphia’s Office of LGBT Affairs and then proceeded to LICENSE THE DESIGN FOR PROFIT

https://gaycitynews.com/we-need-walk-away-progress-profit-flag/

rest of the article is interesting too

this just makes it all the more baffling that this graphic-design-is-my-passion gaudy clashing mess of a flag is the one you see everywhere now

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

That’s wild. I would have retained the copyright too, but for the purpose of suing the fuck out of people who misuse it

[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Even if that were what he's doing, I would still avoid using it as I'm a supporter of the public domain on principle. If something is essentially public domain, it should be fully public domain.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

That's not actually the original pride flag. That's the one with 2 mission stripes that were taken away due to cost. The original had turquoise instead of blue and a pink and indigo stripe, so one color more than the rainbow. Rainbows have red, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo, and violet.

The 8 striped also symbolized different things. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_flag_(LGBTQ)

I agree with what you're saying. As they keep adding more things to the flag, it becomes cluttered and harder to see.

[-] [email protected] 23 points 2 days ago

i just learned last week about the original lesbian flag:

and i gotta say it's amazing

[-] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago

Fair warning with that one, its really cool looking but mostly popular with trans lesbians and terfs.

[-] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

as a trans lesbian... ok that tracks.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

I've seen TERFs use it less, as they've started to win the "trans debate" less of a need to disguise their shit as "protecting lesbians"

[-] [email protected] 125 points 2 days ago

I think it's basically just "feature creep." Too many ideas trying to be crammed into one symbol. And what's annoying, to me, is that the rainbow by itself was already supposed to represent everyone. That's why it is a rainbow.

[-] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago

It’s the same phenomenon as “LGBTQI+”

It was literally LGB at one point. I understand the concept of inclusion but I think pursuing it by appending and appending and appending is a lousy way to go. I believe the “Q” was finally added in part because it was hoped to be some kind of catch-all, but that didn’t work.

[-] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago

We could always use the GRSM acronym (Gender, Romantic, and Sexual Minorities)

[-] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago

I just learned about GSM two days ago here on Lemmy. Now I am learning about GRSM, and while I like both, learning that there is now an additional letter leads me to believe it may go down the same rabbit hole.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 13 hours ago

Really? I've never heard just GSM.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 12 hours ago

I’ve gone down the rabbit hole and gsm is apparently a common incorrect way to say it. Also a lot of LGBTQ people dislike the term.

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[-] [email protected] 1 points 10 hours ago

I’m just hearing it for the first time in this thread but my first impression isn’t great. Do you really want a label that brands you as a “minority?” That doesn’t seem like a great first step toward equality.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

That was the general consensus from what I read about using the term “minority”. As someone who has been labeled a minority their entire life, the term didn’t strike me as odd from a technical standpoint point, but I can see where it would not sit well for many people.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

It’s interesting - the psychology of that. Recently I was answering someone who asked why the US doesn’t have more of a working class movement, and a big part of my answer was that no one in the US thinks of themselves as part of the working class. Even if they are unarguably at the base of the economy, their plan is to get out of the working class, not make it better. Similarly, I can see Americans having a problem accepting themselves as a permanent minority. In other parts of the world this is just a fact of life. Christians in Syria know they will never be a majority. When rebels ousted Assad, one of the first things they said was that they will treat minorities well. Those minorities know who they are. Similarly, Kurds are 15% of Iraq and that is just a fact based on hundreds of years of ethnic history in the region. But in the US, everyone is on their way to something better (at least so we think). Parts of Europe had very formal class systems for long periods of history so there are people who just think of themselves as working class and they stand for workers’ rights. Not so in the US. No one here is working class or a monitory. We’re too full of all the rhetoric about being created equal.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 16 minutes ago

I honestly didn’t even think about it from that point of view. That’s a really interesting perspective. I’ve known instances of Americans going overseas and realizing they are suddenly a minority. They do not like it at all.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

Oh shit I unironically like this.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

I'm a fan of it but it doesn't seem widely known. Maybe we should spread the word.

[-] [email protected] 17 points 2 days ago

I propose reducing it down to QT

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[-] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

Aside from the design of the flags, scrolling through these ones felt a bit like a colour blind test. Especially the demi-flags.

[-] [email protected] 23 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Rainbow flag is cool. 🏳️‍🌈

Due the spectral (is that said correctly?) nature of gender identity and sexual preferences individualized representation of every part of an infinite spectrum is, by definition, impossible. Thus a catch them all flag is the best in representing our diversity.

[-] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago

New pride flag

[-] [email protected] 30 points 2 days ago

Ugly flags & the LGBT+ community, name a more iconic duo. Like, I thought we had designers amongst us, whatever happened to them?

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[-] [email protected] 54 points 2 days ago

It was poorly designed ever since they added the chevrons. The six colour pride flag was already pushing it with having six colours, but it pulled it off well and made it work. But anything else just screws it up.

Personally, I think adding intersex, transgender, black people(???) makes it seem as if they WEREN'T included in the original. I was always under the impression that the 🏳️‍🌈 flag included the whole LGBTQ+ groupings

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