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[–] 143 points 1 year ago (8 children)

In those days tutorials weren't a thing. Games came with manuals that you were expected to actually read.

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  • [–] 61 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    And they were cool! And it was better that way! And get off my lawn!

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  • [–] 37 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    that car drive back home when you're reading the game manual, oof the anticipation.

    I took some of the character bio's a bit far. For a while I used to believe that Yoshimitsu from Tekken was a real person.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I remember that Kazuya liked sneakers

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    well when you meet her in person, you can tell her that

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    you can tell her that, when you her in person meet well

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Tell who what? Lol we were talking about reading the game manual and you mentioned Yoshimitsu, so I brought up Kazuya's sneaker collection, because that was one of those things from his character bio in the manual.

    I don't know what woman you're referring to...

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I'm getting flashbacks to NES Rambo seeing your comment. First ragequit, fuck that game lol

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  • [–] -4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

    In those days, developers largely didn't know the concept of player training through gameplay and had to resort to text dump tutorials (or worse, tutorial videos (where applicable)).

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    ? You start in a room you where right leads to ledge you can't jump to, and left takes you over a pyramid with a power up and small hole.

    It was gameplay teaching you.

    Mind, this is the only such moment. The rest of this game is fucking bullshit that ate my childhood

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  • [–] 6 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    tutorial videos

    This was simply not a huge thing back then. Remember that the only way for most people to experience on-demand video back then was via VHS and the TV, and most households only had one TV that was presumably being used to play the game. To watch a tutorial video, you would have had to watch it on TV at a specific time, or you would have had to buy or rent said guide, stop your game, connect your VHS, and watch it. I can find references to game guide videos people sold in magazines, but these don't seem to have been very popular. Most people just read the manual, which isn't that crazy of a concept. All games before video games came with rule books so why shouldn't these?

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    I meant games that had tutorial videos built into them. Stuff like Syphon Filter; a rushed, poorly voiced video that lists your controls and tosses you into the mission. The player is told what does what and isn't given a chance to learn how to interact with the world.

    Soul Reaver 1's first 20 minutes is what every game should be aiming for. You learn how to navigate the world, how health and the spectral/material realms work, how to solve the combat puzzles, and more importantly, how those systems interact; then you're on your own. If a game needs the help of extrenal resources to convey such basic information, it's a failure of game design. Not necessarily out of incompetence but because game design principles hadn't evolved to that point.

    I'm not against external (including physical) resources, iff they're used in a clever way. Shenzhen IO has a thirty-page manual themed as actual technical documentation about the electronics used in the game. Through this, the manual becomes part of the game. Same for Keep talking and nobody explodes. Volo's Guide to Baldur's Gate is a fantastic example of presenting supplemental information that is good to know but isn't a roadblock in its absence. If a manual improves the game experience, it's good material. If it's necessary to make a game playable, it's bad design.

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  • [–] 111 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    The first screen is sort of a tutorial, though. If you go right first because you've played Super Mario Bros. or some other platformer and you think going right might be the way to win, you're presented with a narrow passage you can't crawl through. At this point, you'll discover that you can also go left. There's another rock formation with a narrow passage, but from this side you can jump on top of it to get over it, and you'll find the Morph Ball. From the Morph Ball side, you can't jump back over, so you have to figure out how to get through the narrow passage by pressing down to enter Morph Ball mode. Now you understand the game: find obstacles, acquire the corresponding upgrades, use them to bypass the obstacles.

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  • [–] 42 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Not to mention that at that time, games shipped with an instruction booklet that told you the controls.....

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Yeah, the best games back then had tutorials built in. Super Mario Bros. level 1-1 is probably one of the best tutorials ever made.

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  • [–] 24 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I never understood why they call this genre Metroidvania. Metroid definitely came first right? Why isn't it just Metroid-like?

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Metroid wasn't first. Games like Pitfall II and Montezuma's Revenge predate it.

    As for the "Metroidvania" name, originally it just applied to Castlevania games in the Metroid mould (particularly in the GBA/DS days when there were a tonne of them) but people just started applying it to the entire genre. It was always a terrible name.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago*

    "Which way is Firelink Shrine?"

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago

    based.

    game doesn't save your hitpoints, starts you at 30 hp every time

    cringe.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago

    Based! A very bold move which you don't care what other people think of it, so yea, based.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Kinda reminded me of Warframe after you finish Vor's quest and the game is like: here's a billion systems I never properly explained, go have fun.

    Totally based.

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  • [+] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)
    [–] 3 points 1 year ago

    Hollow Knight was kind of like this, with a better tutorial, and I loved the game for that. The exploration felt so much more mysterious.

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