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[-] [email protected] 140 points 4 weeks ago
[-] [email protected] 67 points 4 weeks ago

Depends. Are you from the EU or not?

[-] [email protected] 91 points 4 weeks ago

I am, that's why it sounds illegal. :D

[-] [email protected] 66 points 4 weeks ago

In parallel, Google has rolled out its Play Integrity API, which allows developers to limit app functionality when sideloaded, effectively pushing users to install apps only through the Google Play Store.

All of this while EU forbids Apple to do the same, what is the idea here? Measuring how EU reacts?

[-] [email protected] 29 points 4 weeks ago

Is it the same though? Google is allowing the developers to choose to prevent sideloading. I thought Apple's issue was that they prevented side loading completely.

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[-] [email protected] 65 points 4 weeks ago
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[-] [email protected] 64 points 4 weeks ago

Yikes this really doesn't look good. Is there any reporting on it from independent journalists (or anyone else who isn't also advertising their own competing operating system)?

[-] [email protected] 42 points 4 weeks ago

Not that I've seen and I'd take what Purism say with a grain of salt: they've acted like pretty shitty gatekeepers themselves. Nothing they mentioned in the article seems too egregious in truth and they're exaggerating the scale of it: Play Store app DRM exists already, and the restrictions on browser-downloaded apps they mention can be bypassed (albeit by having to go into settings) and don't apply to apps installed through other apps stores (F-Droid, etc).

[-] [email protected] 12 points 4 weeks ago

Nothing they mentioned in the article seems too egregious in truth

Doesn't it? To be honest, if the article is telling the truth and not exaggerated, I find this pretty egregious. How you installed an app should be irrelevant, so the idea of an API to say "did this come from the Play Store" is fucking shit. And the ability to block installation of apps that call certain APIs entirely is even worse.

[-] [email protected] 8 points 4 weeks ago

I haven't seen proper reporting but the Play Integrity install source thing is accurate. There's a reasonably good overview straight from the devil himself.

Lots of things that have very valid reasons on paper that also just happen to give Google a stupid amount of control and will backfire for a somewhat small percentage of people in very bad ways. We've been at "you can't use pretty much any bank unless you agree to either Google or Apple terms" for quite some years now, now we're giving those same app developers ways to detect if their device has accessibility APIs enabled (useful to protect against bot farms, but also a functional check for "you're able-bodied") or is in security support (also a functional check for "not reliant on hand-me-downs").

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[-] [email protected] 43 points 4 weeks ago

This article is a thinly veiled ad paired with fearmongering to get gullible users to buy the shit phones they sell (or not, some people have been on "waitlists" for 5+ years after providing a full payment).

Granted, their phones are fully open, but have next to no apps.

Personally I'll stick with Android 12, rooted, and see what the future brings.

[-] [email protected] 42 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

In Singapore, lots of boomers are downloading scam apps from facebook lured by promises of discounts and free gifts, handing out accessibility privileges, and they'll even argue vehemently against loved ones and bank staff when confronted. When it all inevitably blows up, they blame absolutely everyone except themselves, including praising Apple for some reason.

Being the largest voting block, they managed to get banks responsible for reimbursing their losses and there was even an idea floated of getting everyone to contribute to a shitty scam insurance fund. Many major banking apps are paranoid af and block usage from simple things like usb debugging turned on.

Absolutely stupidity. And there's nothing we can do about it when the politicians love them so much.

[-] [email protected] 9 points 4 weeks ago

Usb debugging is sketchy as shit. You should almost never turn that on, and immediately turn it off once you're finished with whatever it is you're doing with that on.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 4 weeks ago

agree completely. But I recently broke my phone screen, the usual Samsung green screen of death, and I wish I had that turned on to copy the data over lol.

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[-] [email protected] 39 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

effectively pushing users to install apps only through the Google Play Store

I wonder what this will mean for Aurora and Fdroid etc.

[-] [email protected] 14 points 4 weeks ago

This is my immediate first thought seeing this. This fucking sucks. Part of the whole benefit of something like LineageOS or e (OS?) was being able to use Fdroid to stay away from Google as much as possible. Now this is going to potentially make things weird.

[-] [email protected] 20 points 4 weeks ago

doesn't do anything to f-droid, but probably kills aurora a bit. the developer can prevent their app from being sideloaded. why would one prevent that if they are distributing via f-droid too?

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[-] [email protected] 8 points 4 weeks ago

Well, both will be unable to install certain types of apps.

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[-] [email protected] 35 points 4 weeks ago

Kinda depressing that all of big-tech seems to have given up "innovating" (finding applications for publicly-funded research), and have become rent-seeking dinosaurs.

[-] [email protected] 21 points 4 weeks ago

Capitalism baby

[-] [email protected] 27 points 4 weeks ago

"Purism makes premium phones..." Haaaaaaaaa 😂

[-] [email protected] 20 points 3 weeks ago

Correction: purism sells mediocre phones for premium prices.

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[-] Mwa 26 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

One of the reasons why I got a Android over ios :(

[-] [email protected] 25 points 4 weeks ago

From what I can tell, all of this shit is on Google versions of Android. If you are on AOSP such as lineage or graphene, from what I understand this has no effect whatsoever.

[-] [email protected] 25 points 4 weeks ago

Why is it so hard to "Don't be Evil"

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[-] [email protected] 23 points 4 weeks ago

The restrictions on apk access over the past 10 years have already been an annoying pita. Many of the best power user apks have had to gut themselves over their original functionality, all while obtaining root access over your owned devices has become harder or next to impossible.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 4 weeks ago

Let them keep those. I hereby declare that if I don't own the thing, I ain't buying it. So no root, no $$$.

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[-] [email protected] 18 points 4 weeks ago

Degoogled ROMs are gonna be the bomb in the future.

[-] [email protected] 14 points 4 weeks ago

Maybe you should curb your enthusiasm a bit. have you seen what it take to unlock the bootloader from most manufacturers? you might even need your grandma's birth certificate before you're allowed to do so in the future

[-] [email protected] 9 points 4 weeks ago

Certainly depends on where you live.

Unlocking a Samsung phone is trivial here.

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[-] [email protected] 16 points 3 weeks ago

Not bothered if necessary Il patch every apk before installing it, one more stupid American move that will ultimately give the entire market to the Chinese.

[-] [email protected] 14 points 3 weeks ago

...in Singapore...

[-] [email protected] 11 points 4 weeks ago

There is exactly one app I use that is available only on play store - my bank.

I don't really need the app.

They have a website.

I have a few phones, just got one that now has grapheneOS.

I've been using it for a few weeks to see how it works before I switch over anything to use it as my main. it has a lot of very interesting privacy/security features to test out.

Either way, I don't get anything from the play store anymore.

It's F(L)OSS or a website.

As god intended.

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[-] [email protected] 10 points 4 weeks ago

Are they talking about the changes that were made that allow a dev to prevent their app from launching if it fails a Play integrity check?

If so I don’t see that as a big deal since it is up to the dev to use it. OSS devs that want to distribute their app via apk download won’t enable it, and anyone distributing cracked apks will just disable that along with whatever other changes they are making.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 4 weeks ago

Some apps only require 'basic' play integrity verification, but now check to see if they're installed via the Play Store. They refuse to run if they're installed via an alternative source.

This has been a problem for GrapheneOS, since some apps filter themselves out of the Play Store search if you don't pass strong play integrity, despite the fact that they don't require it. Luckily Graphene now had a bypass for this.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 4 weeks ago

From the article it sounds like the limitations come for some app types downloaded directly from a browser. I think this doesn't affect alternate app stores like f-droid where you are effectively delegating approval to their process.

I have come across the other limitations mentioned with the Home Assistant companion app which I could only get matter registration to work with the version downloaded from the Play store.

[-] [email protected] 14 points 4 weeks ago

Well, but where do you get F-Droid? Or stuff like ReVanced Manager.

Or Epic's stuff. Wasn't Google just now sued for this shit and nobody understood why Google lost and Apple didn't because you can easily sideload on Android.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 4 weeks ago

I completely agree. Unless Google is forced to install more than one app store by default, or forced to have multiple app stores downloadable on Play Store, three is no realistic way to install a third party app store on a phone. In both cases, Google's cooperation is required.

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[-] [email protected] 7 points 4 weeks ago

Maybe for the Singapore thing. For the play integrity thing, it applies to apps from anywhere except the play store directly. I use Aurora to install apps that say "not compatible with your device" for no reason. But a week or two ago ago, they started blocking access and saying I needed to install from the play store.

Fortunately I was able to downgrade and they kept working, but I don't know how long that will last. At some point the server side will change the API.

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