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[-] [email protected] 101 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Reminds me of a time I was arguing with a friend in a pub. He didn't vote and thought it was pointless etc. I was saying:

Me: "Have you been to recently?"

Him: "Yeah"

Me: "Have you noticed a the amount of homeless people?"

Him: "Yeah, it's getting really bad now isn't it"

Me: ...

Him: "What's that got to do with the government?"

At this point, a random woman leaned in to comment.

"You know, I agree with your friend. HE shouldn't vote."

[-] [email protected] 26 points 6 days ago

I on the team of this woman when it comes to quite a few people

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[-] [email protected] 38 points 6 days ago

If you live in society with other humans, politics will involve you because it literally means things that concern everyone. People not wanting anything to do with it just means democracy isn't working.

[-] [email protected] 10 points 6 days ago

democracy isn’t working

Nailed it.

[-] [email protected] 32 points 6 days ago

I'm a first-generation immigrant.

My parents are like: "Stop criticizing [Country we are from]"

Also parents: "I like the job here and the pay is good, back in [Country where we are from], the pay was bad and it took a long time before the payments arrive."

They currently work a Union job. Strike action is illegal in my former country.

[-] [email protected] 15 points 6 days ago

It's called demoralization.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

To me there's a difference between "politics" and taking about a specific topic and concern.

unfortunatly most people that I know that want to "talk politics" always have an agenda and motive. These individuals are never concerned about learning and broadening the topic but "winning" and their agenda.

Edit: F any trumper out there too.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

unfortunatly most people that I know that want to “talk politics” always have an agenda and motive. These individuals are never concerned about learning and broadening the topic but “winning” and their agenda.

This is why my reaction to these people irl is always, "I don't like talking about politics." Which, a quick look at my comment history would tell anyone, is absolutely ridiculous lol.

You can usually tell which people are actually interested in discussion, and which have an (usually right wing) agenda to push.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago

I mean, I do have an agenda, that's kinda the point. My agenda is to make life better (= more equal, more inclusive, etc) for everyone

[-] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

When your choices are Democrat or Republican, it makes sense.

[-] [email protected] 11 points 6 days ago

I know you won't accept this. But I want to say it anyway, on the off chance that it lights some light bulb in your brain.

Not seeing a difference between Democrat and Republican is a privilege. It means that you are equally affected by both of their policies. Not everyone has that luxury.

If you could spend just 5 minutes considering those who are negatively impacted more by one of those parties, it should hopefully be clear that not voting hurts those people.

[-] [email protected] -3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

That's everyone's favorite aspect of Democratic Party politics: the finger wagging.

My parents are eighty years old and drive for DoorDash, because if they don't, this country will gladly render them homeless. This is true whether Democrats or Republicans are in charge.

Maybe save your sermon and support candidates that actually demonstrate some actual intent to change things. Democrats' last presidential candidate said publicly they wouldn't do anything different, and a lot of struggling people heard that.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 5 days ago

Ah there it is... Complete lack of empathy, and only capable of understanding an issue when it affects them or their family directly.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago

Too bad your parents aren't trans. Maybe then you'd care.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago

Does the US really not have any other political parties? Is there some sort of rule that says that there can only be two political parties.

I don't understand how there can be so much dissatisfaction with the current options, and that dissatisfaction has existed for so long, and yet there are been no other parties formed to take advantage of that displeasure and offer themselves as an alternative.

[-] [email protected] 10 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Is there some sort of rule that says that there can only be two political parties.

No, but I think the issue lies with their system of government. As a presidential republic they don't have parliamentary government where parties enter coalitions to form the executive, so smaller parties have no good way to get established and share executive power and responsibility while growing.

Couple that with the voting system which also favours the trend to only two parties, and there you have the mess.

PS: They have the Green Party and the Libertarian Party, but they remain at the fringe and largely irrelevant. No seats for either of them.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 6 days ago

It's basically a mathematical consequence of First Past the Post voting system. Until we get Ranked Choice Voting or similar, we will always only have the 2 parties. And since we need at least one of those parties to support a new voting system, I'm not holding my breath to see a sweeping change there. Happily, a couple states have embraced Ranked Choice Voting, so maybe a change can occur in time.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago

Does the US really not have any other political parties?

We do, but they've been institutionally ostracized since the 90's, and very few people vote for them. The two ruling parties have the backing of the billionaire class and the national news media, so likely many aren't even aware of other options to begin with.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Technically we can have any number of political parties and do. I believe I had candidates representing five parties running for my state’s auditor this last time.

However various conditions have always prevented other parties from building a competitive national presence. Things like name recognition and the vast amount of money spent in a typical election is very difficult for a new party. On the occasion when someone has reached the legislature, you can’t really do anything without a party behind you, so it’s tough to make an impact. People complain about the voting system, but it just means there’s no second place: each of the two will win different areas but very tough for a third party to break in since there’s no second place or third place.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

It takes time to grow a new party. With first past the post voting there is no time to do that in. Since any new party will take voters from the party you allign more with and guarantee the party you align less with wins. And none of the 2 major parties are interested in changing to a system that would give themselfs less power. Those poor people over there are stuck with psycopatic fasistic party that is afraid of everything and everyone, and a megalomanic ignorant party that degrades into in-fighting any time they have any power.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago

So, in your mind AOC and Trump are exactly the same person?

[-] [email protected] -1 points 6 days ago

No. AOC and Trump are outliers on either end of the spectrum.

But as a whole the difference between how Democratics and Republicans do politics is nothing more they semantics.

Lobby money, bribery, insider trading, sexual scandal political controversy work just the same on either side of the aisle.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

At one point during the election, they were trying to make a big deal over the sheer number of republicans criminals who thought they were above the law, while democrats were the first ones to bring democrats to justice

Insider trading is a bit different since it’s legal. Yeah most from both parties do it and don’t even realize how unethical it is, but fwiw they made it legal

[-] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

So, you find the outlier you like and help them.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago

Agreed. If and when AOC runs for president she has my vote.

[-] [email protected] -3 points 6 days ago

They're the worst candidates from either direction lol

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