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A reminder folks: people engage in this kind of radical protest because it works:

Results of two online experiments conducted with diverse samples (N = 2,772), including a study of the animal rights movement and a preregistered study of the climate movement, show that the presence of a radical flank increases support for a moderate faction within the same movement. Further, it is the use of radical tactics, such as property destruction or violence, rather than a radical agenda, that drives this effect. Results indicate the effect owes to a contrast effect: Use of radical tactics by one flank led the more moderate faction to appear less radical, even though all characteristics of the moderate faction were held constant. This perception led participants to identify more with and, in turn, express greater support for the more moderate faction. These results suggest that activist groups that employ unpopular tactics can increase support for other groups within the same movement, pointing to a hidden way in which movement factions are complementary, despite pursuing divergent approaches to social change.

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[-] [email protected] 34 points 4 days ago

conspiracy to commit a public nuisance

[-] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago

As a member of the public, I can say it would not have been a nuisance to me.

[-] [email protected] 22 points 3 days ago

You can’t do anything to upset the rich. That’s illegal. Please be ineffective elsewhere. That’s legal.

[-] [email protected] 21 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

I hope they get mild sentences because they didn't even manage to enter.

The law is extremely dumb, as it sends the message "accomplish maximum obstruction, as you will get massive sentences, don't talk with anyone, don't even consider getting caught".

Maybe next time, someone does like some alleged (claim unverified) anarchists in France. They burned a substation and cut down a high voltage pylon. Most likely a bit foolish because they didn't stop the Cannes film festival from completing (it had backup power), but the point remains: they caused a massive pain in the ass for hundreds of thousands of people. If they get caught and get 10 years, they can say it was worth it.

Dishing out 10 year sentences for attempting to stop a plane from using a taxiway by standing in front of it... is not very smart from a judicial viewpoint. People might do the math and find they'd get smaller sentences for considerably bigger deeds.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

Didn’t know that they could get harsh sentences for an attempt…where do you draw the line for an “attempt”….Got on the runway with a pocketful of glue…A ladder on the fence…A conversation in the pub after 10 pints?

[-] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

But did you vote?

[-] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago

I always knew that this is true but damn is it great to see actual research prove it.

I was always of the opinion that extremists drive change not by their action but by society's perception of them, just didn't know that it was actually society's perception of them pushing society to accept tge less extreme memebers of the group.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

As I understand it, for direct action (like this) to "work", the crucial requirement is that the protestors pay a personal price. I.e., prosecution and if possible (!) a bit of jail. Otherwise it will be seen as obnoxious troublemaking.

Humans are social animals. When they see others suffering for their convictions, they stop and think.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago

... yeah, I mean, that'll do it.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

Protests like this are not really worth it, especially if it leads to good people who care being imprisoned and thus not being able to affect anything at all because of that.

Organise and find kindred souls to work with you and then resist smartly by taking care of not getting caught and doing things that can't be ignored but which don't alienate the public. Its pretty much crime already to do anything that might be noticed, as is evident by this. So don't play by their rules. People like this who are actually willing to do something are way too valuable to be wasted in prison.

There was a book called art of invisibility by Kevin D Mitnick which teaches how to stay safe regarding digital things. It should be free, but i'm not sure where you can find it beyond z-library. Its from 2017 so it might be outdated regarding how ai is likely going to be used for mass surveillance, but at least its good foundation for looking for more information about the subject.

[-] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago

don’t alienate the public.

yes, yes, protest the safe way, never upset anyone, wouldn't want anyone to notice the outrage and tyranny if it meant a tad bit of inconvenience.

You know what they call sanctioned protests? the good ones, the ones that got approval first and won't upset anyone?

Parades.

This bullshit notion that no one can be inconvenienced for small things LIKE THE DEATH OF THE ECOSYSTEM or your REPUBLIC BURNING are moronic excuses the rich feed everyone else in order to maintain the status quo.

And you parroting the bullshit is doing their work for them. So keep licking the waffle soles of those boots, but don't fucking tell me what to do because I ain't listening to your bullshit

[-] [email protected] 0 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

i think you misunderstood what i mean with alienating. I mean don't do things even reasonable people wouldn't support like blowing stuff up.

I specificially said dont play by their rules which includes not limiting yourself to sanctioned protests and such.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 days ago

we have one atmosphere. perhaps it's time to upset people's comfort zone if it means there's one for future generations.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

definitely, people have been really mild and toothless about this.

[-] [email protected] 14 points 4 days ago

People have been doing this because it works

[-] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago

Even more reason to practice proper opsec. Since they arrested him before he even managed to get near the airport its clear his plan was revealed somehow.

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