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submitted 5 days ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

Need to let loose a primal scream without collecting footnotes first? Have a sneer percolating in your system but not enough time/energy to make a whole post about it? Go forth and be mid: Welcome to the Stubsack, your first port of call for learning fresh Awful you’ll near-instantly regret.

Any awful.systems sub may be subsneered in this subthread, techtakes or no.

If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

(Credit and/or blame to David Gerard for starting this.)

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[-] [email protected] 24 points 5 days ago

Curtis Yarvin:

Girls think the "eu" in "eugenics" means EW. Don't get the ick, girls! It literally means good.

So if you're not into eugenics, that means you must be into dysgenics. Dissing your own genes! OMG girl what

dr. caitlin m. green:

... how is this man still able to post from inside the locker he should be stuffed in 24/7

[-] [email protected] 17 points 4 days ago

Seeing Yarvin mansplain eugenics really does make one wonder how he doesn't just get suckerpunched whenever he says anything at someone in public.

[-] [email protected] 13 points 5 days ago

Not beating the sexism allegations.

[-] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago

The eigenrobot thread he's responding to is characteristically bizarre and gross. You'd think eigenrobot being anti-eugenics is a good thing but he still finds a way to make it suspect. (He believes being unable to make babies is worse than death?)

[-] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago

I think he means "mass sterilisation of a population" Vs "mass murder of the same population", which is genocide either way, and then he would opt for the faster method.

Or something. Feels extra creepy discussing which genocide is better with the ongoing genocide in Gaza.

[-] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago

Re: extra creepy: and also with people their people in power.

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[-] [email protected] 20 points 5 days ago

A new LLM plays pokemon has started, with o3 this time. It plays moderately faster, and the twitch display UI is a little bit cleaner, so it is less tedious to watch. But in terms of actual ability, so far o3 has made many of the exact same errors as Claude and Gemini including: completely making things up/seeing things that aren't on the screen (items in Virdian Forest), confused attempts at navigation (it went back and forth on whether the exit to Virdian Forest was in the NE or NW corner), repeating mistakes to itself (both the items and the navigation issues I mentioned), confusing details from other generations of Pokemon (Nidoran learns double kick at level 12 in Fire Red and Leaf Green, but not the original Blue/Yellow), and it has signs of being prone to going on completely batshit tangents (it briefly started getting derailed about sneaking through the tree in Virdian Forest... i.e. moving through completely impassable tiles).

I don't know how anyone can watch any of the attempts at LLMs playing Pokemon and think (viable) LLM agents are just around the corner... well actually I do know: hopium, cope, cognitive bias, and deliberate deception. The whole LLM playing Pokemon thing is turning into less of a test of LLMs and more entertainment and advertising of the models, and the scaffold are extensive enough and different enough from each other that they really aren't showing the models' raw capabilities (which are even worse than I complained about) or comparing them meaningfully.

[-] [email protected] 13 points 4 days ago

I like how all of the currently running attempts have been equipped with automatic navigation assistance, i.e. a pathfinding algorithm from the 60s. And that's the only part of the whole thing that actually works.

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[-] [email protected] 15 points 5 days ago

Im sure this is fine https://infosec.exchange/@paco/114509218709929701

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The S in CoPilot stands for Security! https://pivotnine.com/the-crux/archive/remembering-f00fs-of-old/"

[-] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago

I regret to inform you that, once again, aella (via this)

fucked that this is at least moderately honest

[-] [email protected] 14 points 4 days ago

Cringe but my god the horde of buttmad nazis force me to be on weirdo & girl girl's side

Personally I have more questions about a Rationalist having an anarcho-communist flag tattoo.

[-] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago

anarcho-communist flag, username RatOrthodox, hangs out with eugenicist iq-anon types, somewhere on the longtermist scale. Has unblocked replies from a person who fell into all the alt-right signifiers and who is calling this 'Jewish' (anti-semitism and a holocaust joke, classy. If I sneer any harder I will start to look like Scott on that recent video).

[-] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago

It honestly reminds me of the stories you'd hear from like the 60s and 70s of people cult-hopping because the specifics of the ideology or the religion didn't matter as much as the sense of believing in something. Notably a fair number of those people ended up in evangelical churches and, presumably, maga.

[-] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago

See also how he finds it good that capitalism has no logo, but still desires a logo for capitalism. And suggests others want it too.

But hey, of all the cult leaders in the space, Aella is prob the least bad. At least her cult doesn't come with a lot of mandatory reading homework.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I see now he's also got a supply and demand tattoo*? I don't fucking know. Maybe he thinks red and black is the antifa flag. Maybe he got it for sexy humiliation purposes. Maybe it's faded blue ink.

*"If you want to celebrate [capitalism] with a symbol, you’ll have to get a law of nature tattooed on you."

[-] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago

Yeah okay. Boring!!! You suck!!!

[-] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I have so many questions, stuff like, do you know what laws of nature are? (also, see the weak link between supply and demand and capitalism, various non capitalist systems also have supply and demand curves. "im not economically illiterate, just ideologically"). And 13? Wtf is wrong with your parents that they allowed that? At least my earlier 'wtf why is he hanging out with neo-nazis' has been answered.

E: also note the dead plant in the tattoo in progress pics. (An orchid I think).

[-] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago

I don't know what it is with capitalists and needing to prove to themselves they're aligned with the natural order. I'm a marxist but I can't imagine calling the TRPF a "law of nature". It would be embarrassing!

*(I know there are, like, dozens of "scientific communist" diamat weirdos, but for the most part they have rightfully been tied to a tree and left in the 20th century.)

[-] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago

I think it comes down to a deflection of the inherent cruelty of the system. Part of the structure of capitalism is that some people are going to suffer unjustly because your ability to get the resources you need to survive is gated behind your ability to either hold capital or provide value to capitalists. You don't have to look far to find examples of people who are either physically unable to do so or who find that their proverbial cheese has been moved by economic forces beyond their control or understanding, and now the terms of their economic and social existence are wildly different and less favorable.

By comparison, evolution by natural selection relies on having more children than the environment can support and having a significant number of those children die before they can reproduce. This also creates a lot of suffering, but since it's a natural process rather than a social construct it's impossible to call any part of it out for cruelty. There is no exploiter, and so there can be no exploitation. We can feel bad for the slowest gazelle but we don't morally condemn the lion because the suffering it creates is part of the natural world.

Of course, free market capitalism is not a natural process, there are things that we could do to mitigate or eliminate the suffering it creates, and trying to prevent that from happening is morally reprehensible. This is particularly true if you're in a relatively privileged position like, say, a finance capitalist in a major startup hub or working in an industry that for various reasons has been given a significantly better deal than most working people. At that point you're either doing the exploiting or siding with the exploiters and actively perpetuating unnecessary suffering. But if that suffering was natural then it wouldn't be unnecessary and you wouldn't be doing anything inarguably wrong.

It's just Jordan Peterson and his goddamn lobsters again.

[-] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago

Yeah it fits a pattern, half of starship troopers is about how other societies had ideals not based on mathematical truths but theirs is (no proof is ever shown). Another reason why I think the book reads so much better as a parody. The Eternal Science of Marxism, but now for Warrior Libertarians (who cannot even fight a proper war, see the whole technodogs thing).

[-] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

Good point.

Heinlein is a bit tricky because on one hand he clearly has a Point of View, but on the other he tends to reuse material, which includes prodding at earlier systems until they get sufficiently dystopian to demand a strong Individualist Man to step up. Don't know if he set that up on purpose or if it was a consequence and set up things, or just the need to churn out new books. Sometimes I got the feeling that he tried ideas on for size.

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[-] [email protected] 10 points 4 days ago

Ok I have to say, I despise aella but as a promiscuous woman I completely fail to see what's supposed to be the problem with this particular form of play. That people like having casual sex? That they have slut pride? What.

I probably passed the 100 mark myself several years ago, I've hooked up with girls with much more obvious slut tattoos too, and we're all antifascist anarchists. Is this community ok with sneering at public sexuality now?

The only thing I found vaguely mid in that X is using a tattoo gun rather than scarification, branding, or at least stick-and-poke. But I don't kink-shame people for being casuals.

[-] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago

Personally I like sex work and amateur tattooing better when they aren't part of some convoluted attempt at rationalist virtue signalling on social media. Honestly it's kind of weird that you landed on disapproval of promiscuity as the reason anyone here would find the happy couple sneerable.

Not strictly related to the OP but fuck kink-washing sfba rationalism, at the very least the attempted normalization of non-con sex play in a subculture as inundated with cult dynamics as them should be fair game.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

I cannot understand the reason y'all find the couple sneerable, as I look at that tweet and see something I very much would have done to one of my partners if they asked, and the language used by the bottom as the same language my partners might have used to describe the activity. If anything it's very much on the tame side, for our standards. Promiscuity is me trying to understand what is it that's so sneerable in the first place. Is it just "lol sex thing weird"? Is it "you'll regret your tattoo when you get older"? Me and my girls have done so much more intensely weirder sex things and more risqué tattoos. I expect to be ridiculed for it by like, cishet right-wing men, but to find that type of attitude here was shocking.

Like, "virtue signalling" as in the thing that rats accuse us of doing every time we have a motivation they cannot comprehend such as basic empathy, right? As in the rationalist's stereotypically verbose euphemism for what previous generations of misogynistic male nerds used to call "attention whoring"? Is that the sneerable thing then, that people like showing off when they do an unusual sex thing? Because if so I have like, years of mastodon flirty banter y'all can go sneer at, if we're branching out from "nerdy fascism bad" to "kink on main bad".

[-] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

are you aware of what discussion group you're posting this to

[-] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago

Think you are right, and tbh I didn't read this as a kink thing but more some weird glorifying Aella as some sort of important cult leader thing (and misread it and assumed it had to do with the flowchart event, and not this (which I should have noticed was wrong as there were less than 100 people involved in that, for which a 'I was nr 100' is quite odd to me (and fits into the whole cultleader vibe))). A reason why I only focused on the guy myself.

And you are totally correct that people sneer on Aella way to much just because she is {a woman, sex worker, a bit strange, unapologetic about being a sex worker, has sex the wrong way, {more weird reasons unrelated to her being part of the 'we should do eugenics!' crowd}} (pick any that apply). And have mentioned this before in other places. (oddly enough this caused somebody on bsky to just go full anti sex worker, so that was an easy block at least). But yes you are right to call us out on this.

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[-] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago

oh, no, to be clear: this isn't about the sex/sluttiness - I have no issue with that at all. in a more general sense (over the wider set of things aella), her positioning herself as a "sex researcher" but often using that to bash specific groups or put out a specific narrative, that is far more problematic

but regarding this specific thing, tho: the "forced a tattoo on me" bit specifically, and all the rationalists doing their weird quasi-intellectual arguing with everyone who asks questions. the "forced" wording feels ... intentionally bait&switch? presumably (..hopefully?) there's mutual consent here, so it's a fucking choice to go frame the event that way

[-] [email protected] 5 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

That's very much the language my play partners use online, though? I totally post banter like "that submissive was so blanked out that I took advantage of them by doing X", to which they'll reply "implying I didn't evily manipulated you into doing that in the first place", and so on. This is so commonplace in my communities that I failed to even understand what could be the problem before you pointed it out. I mean, "I forced my famous domme to mark me as a trophy as her #100 simp"? How would you exactly force (non-kink sense) someone to tattoo you anyway, and if you did and were unwise enough to brag about it, presumably the microcelebrity in question wouldn't like and retweet it? I took it to mean "I was so into the idea of being marked, I'm glad she agreed to my pestering", and I would bet money if any of my people talked in that exact wording, that's what everyone would take it as. I mean, otherwise I would probably have been arrested for the frequency of times I say "bye everyone gonna tie someone up and do unspeakably cruel things to them" and whatnot

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[-] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago

This is more on Aella Cult than on her tbh.

And didn't Aella and also Grimes have a come to jesus moment when they realized they hung out with a lot of bad people. Guess nothing came from that. (That part of them is always worse than these just a bit off antics they pull).

[-] [email protected] 12 points 4 days ago

And didn’t Aella and also Grimes have a come to jesus moment when they realized they hung out with a lot of bad people

I would give this at least -9600 credibility points. neither of them are whoopsie-daisy'ing into these scenes and crowds, they both knew what and who

[-] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago

Sorry I was being a bit too vague because I didn't have any proof ready. But here it is. It is them covering their asses if there might be a fallout, a non-apology equivalent, as there has been no changes or dropping of names/extremist behavior since, it is all just vague vibes.

[-] [email protected] 10 points 5 days ago

Another critihype article from the BBC, with far too much credulousness at the idea behind supposed AI consciousness at the cost of covering the harms of AI as things stand, e.g. the privacy, environmental, data set bias problems:

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0k3700zljjo

[-] [email protected] 10 points 5 days ago

Tried to read it, ended up glazing over after the first or second paragraph, so I'll fire off a hot take and call it a day:

Artificial intelligence is a pseudoscience, and it should be treated as such.

[-] [email protected] 14 points 5 days ago

Every AI winter, the label AI becomes unwanted and people go with other terms (expert systems, machine learning, etc.)... and I've come around to thinking this is a good thing, as it forces people to specify what it is they actually mean, instead of using a nebulous label with many science fiction connotations that lumps together decent approaches and paradigms with complete garbage and everything in between.

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[-] [email protected] 11 points 5 days ago

Some quality sneers in Extropic's latest presentation about their thermodynamics hardware. My favorite part was the Founder's mission slide "e/acc maximizes the watts per civilization while Extropic maximizes intelligence per watt".

[-] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago

is Extropic now claiming to have actually done anything?

[-] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Apparently they are going to ship their development kits sometime later this year. He still sounds confusing AF to me and my BS indicator is going off all the time. He also makes incorrect statements (around 9 minutes in) such as

Neural nets came from energy-based models

which makes 0 sense historically. According to Wikipedia, EBMs were first introduced in 2003.

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