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While calling Israeli fascist isnt allowed, am I allowed to call specific Israeli politicians Kahanist?
Fascism isn't exclusive to the historical Nazis. The rule is about relativism in regards to the crimes of the historical Nazis, and especially the holocaust.
Parts of the current Israeli government are obviously fascist, but calling all Israelis fascists would be against the general rules of this community.
Am I allowed to point out that the Kahanist ideology is rapidly gaining popularity among the Israeli populous? Or the fact that Israeli was founded by a literal national Bolshevik? Or how the Israeli left is a mix of national Socialists and national Bolsheviks while the right is a mix of kahanists and religious fundamentalists?
It would be great if you could also support that with some credible sources instead of just saying so to fish for responses, aka trolling.
Calling for the dissolution of Israel, or calling for a one-state solution without specifying equal rights for all people; Jewish in particular.
So can I say "screw Israel; dismantle that apartheid state and build a true democracy with equal rights for everyone (including Jews) in its place"? The way this part is worded it could go either way.
Also wow that stuff you listed sounds really dystopian.
This still seems like a one sided approach to moderating the issue.
While law demands the censorship of certain criticisms of Israel and Zionism, there are none in regards to Palestinians.
That doesn't mean equal rules shouldn't be applied to the other side.
If you cannot argue for the end of Israel, you should neither be allowed to argue for the end of Palestine. If you cannot defend the actions or existence of Hamas or Hezbollah, neither should you be allowed to defend the actions or existence of the IDF. If you call for a one state solution it should include equal rights not only for Israelis but also Palestinians.
I have yet to see a comment or post Lemmy that actually argues for the 'end of Palestine'. That would already violate rule 4 if someone did it.
neither should you be allowed to defend the actions or existence of the IDF
Isn't the IDF Israel's regular army? Hamas and Hezbollah aren't exactly Palestine's regular armies, they're political organizations that also have military. There's a reason why Hamas isn't really active in the West Bank.
I haven't seen much defending of the IDF's actions, but fair point, that should probably be prohibited.
Without going into the Gaza - West Bank schism, Hamas has governed the Gaza strip for nearly 2 decades now and its military is de facto that territory's military forces.
The argument of 'political militia' only holds water if there is a significant opposition party with a relatively equally large military force. I have yet to see evidence of that.
It doesn't help that there isn't a currently valid "constitution of Palestina" which could regulate military force and who controls them.
Palestine doesn't have a regular army because they're not allowed to be a regular state.
Why should that matter? At the end of the day an army is an army, whether it is commanded by an official state, the leadership of a political organisation, a terrorist organisation or by itself. And in the case of Israel-Palestine both commit planned out terrorist acts and atrocities.
Isn't the IDF Israel's regular army?
Nope. Nope. Nope.
Am I allowed to say Germany is a police state?
If that is your opinion π€·
Based on the news articles Iβm seeing Iβm forced to conclude it is.
calling for a one-state solution without specifying equal rights for all people; Jewish in particular.
Sad that equal rights for every human, and imo all living beings, isn't just given as natural and needs to be specified explicitly.
What's the law's perspective of a global no-state solution?
You're not wrong but it's an explicit defense against any accusations of supporting violence against humans.
Because some individuals think violence is good, I know.
I would like to say that i disagree with some of this, but will not argue it because I respect that the people who put effort in maintaining* this community are the ones that make the rules. Thank you for taking the time to write this explanation. edit: small spelling error
Would it be appropriate for people to share alternative communities which arenβt subject to as strict censorship on this issue?
I mean ... feel free. (Unless you're linking to really unsavory communities.)
The thing is, we're not a Mid-East community anyway (thankfully, I would personally say--as I would be really out-of-depth there!). While this is an issue that may flare up occasionally, I don't see it as a permanent hindrance to contribution.
Question. Would a comment calling Nethanyahu βfacistβ be removed?
Not if it had that typo. ^^ On a more serious note: I find these hard to mod and harder to argue against. The guy is in a coalition with outright fascists because this is the only way to save his power; he at the very least tolerates all of Europe's fascists to come to his government's "antisemitism" conferences; he wages a war currently that is officially called a war of self-defense but has morphed into being transparently expansionist and genocidal.
- Calling for the dissolution of Israel, or calling for a one-state solution without specifying equal rights for all people; Jewish in particular.
All people are equal, but some are more equal than others
More specified, not more equal in this case, really.
Why do they need to be specified? If it's equal rights for all people, then that includes Jews. There is no need to specify if you are promoting equality for all.
Germany (as in the law but also many of the german people) is a bit weird about that, because, you know, it's predescessor tried β sadly with very much success β to fucking murder every single European jew. That is a reason why in Germany, we are so specific.
This is also why Germany will stand by Israel, even if their right-wing regime is now murdering people in Gaza. It is fucked up, but the way it is at the moment.