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Apple blocks Fortnite's return to iPhone in US (www.eurogamer.net)

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[-] [email protected] 47 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Apple is such a piece of shit company.

[+] [email protected] -10 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

There are worse, but yea, they’re fucking annoying

Anyone knows a good Android phone (brand) that works for daily usage and doesn’t spy on you?

And don’t recommend things like GrapheneOS and shit, they’re nice, but clearly not usable because you’re locked off too many apps, and end up still using Google

[-] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago

I've been using GrapheneOS for a couple months and haven't found any apps to be giving me trouble. What apps are locked off?

[-] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago

Can’t use mobile payment for one, then apps with integrity checks often block me. Might be highly related to the fact that I downloaded from Aurora instead of P Store, but yea I’m pretty sure some other are blocked as well.

I have a Google account in another country than the one I’m living in and a lot of apps are not accessible this way for example… might be my fault as well, I know

I heard bank apps are often an issue. I didn’t test it personally

[-] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago

My government 2FA can't work on those OSs. Could get a physical device that shows the code, but that's nowhere near as practical. Without that 2FA I can't pay online, check mail from the government, login to my bank, move my adress, change my phone plan. Everything is set up through the 2FA, which is convenient as fuck, and super safe, but requires either Apple or Android.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

Government 2FA? Sounds dystopian 👀

[-] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago

Why would it be dystopian? Governments provide services and financial aids that also require security and safe authentication of ID. Actually, identity rights protection is the main thing governments provide.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Well, if it’s for something related to your government ID then okay, but you made it sound like you had to use their thing on a lot of services

Like requiring something provided by the government for paying online is wild

[-] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago

“People shop for groceries online with government vouchers”. Doesn't sound wild to me at all. It is the most basic possible social security program in the 21st century. There's a difference between government way is the only way, and government offers a way for those who can't otherwise access basic human need. 2FA and MFA is basic security, without any context it is not any more or less dystopian than a bank, a phone carrier or Google providing MFA.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Here in Denmark we need the government 2FA to pay for our stuff online. It's an extra identity check on the credit card to make sure the card hasn't been stolen. We don't do government vouchers here, because we have a very good safetynet based on a salary from the government if we're jobless. Kinda like UBI, but you only get it if you don't have a job, so not entirely UBI. The rate isn't anything good, but it's enough to survive.

Our 2FA is used for by far most things. Like if I want to login on my phone carriers website, I'll use the 2FA. Need to check up on my taxes? 2FA. Sign legal documents? 2FA. The way it works is, I've chosen a username which I write on the website login page, no password is used here. Then I open the 2FA app, login, grant access. If I try to login to a website on anything else than my phone, I need to scan a QR code displayed on the website aswell. This way I only need to remember the password for the 2FA and my username. We haven't had any issues with security in this system in the 4,5 years it's been online.

[-] [email protected] -2 points 3 weeks ago

It is the most basic possible social security program in the 21st century

Wtf? Health care is the most basic social security.

“People shop for groceries online with government vouchers”

You never mentionned this. But still, it makes you so much traceable. Doesn't feel really good, being said like that.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago

It's a pretty good system, if it's any interrest it's in Denmark.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago

If you say so! I hope it's not as bad as it sounds haha

[-] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago

Does the app check for strongest variany of Safetynet / Play Integrity?

[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

Banking apps, Netflix (and similar), Restaurant apps, certain online games.

That's all I can think of, it be nice if I was corrected (Especially banking apps) since I wanted LineageOS.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 3 weeks ago

Ah, I don't game on my phone so I wouldn't know about that, but all of my banking apps work and while I don't normally use streaming services, I just downloaded and tested Netflix and Hulu and both loaded and took me to a login screen. I only actually logged in to Hulu because I don't have a Netflix account, but I think it's safe to assume it would've worked

[-] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago

A lot of banking apps do work on grapheneos.

https://privsec.dev/posts/android/banking-applications-compatibility-with-grapheneos/

[-] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago

What about LineageOS?

[-] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago

Should be similar because i guess the apps allow rooted phones.
I use e/os based on LineageOS and my banking apps are in that list

[+] [email protected] 6 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

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[-] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago

Yea so I’m pretty suck. The middle option I use is Apple. I don’t really trust them, but at this point it’s better than using Google services

[+] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

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[-] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Follow the money, they don’t profit off spying on you selling your data to other companies, this makes them the lesser evil but they’re still evil for sure.

[+] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

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[-] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Where is that in their revenue streams? Nearly all of their profit comes from selling hardware and services.

You could argue they profit off insecure default settings, such as having Google as the default search engine or analyzing Siri recordings or how they use aggregated usage data, but to date I’m not aware of Apple either profiting directly off data it collects from users, or selling that data to third-parties.

Selling ads or user data is nowhere in their business model. They don’t need to, and the trust they risk losing from doing so is a powerful detractor. They’re not perfect, but as far as corporations go they could be much, much worse. They’re not comparable to Google in terms of privacy at all.

Here’s a source confirming as much: https://fossbytes.com/apple-data-collection-explained/

Turns out the answer is No, Apple doesn’t sell your data to third-party advertisers. The Cupertino giant possesses the exclusive rights of showing you ads on the App Store and other apps. This means your data is used by Apple to show ads, but not sold to any other advertisers…

[-] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago

To each their opinion.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago

Android itself does plenty of data collection on its own; I'm not sure if the brand really makes much of a difference here, unfortunately.

I installed Sailfish OS on a Sony Xperia phone a few years ago, and that worked well enough. I had a couple of Android apps that I needed to use for work, and Sailfish has some kind of Android environment built in that lets you run Android apps. I worked for me, but I didn't try any payment apps or others that tend to be picky about what type of phone you're using.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago

Sony Xperia.. that's all I can think of...

[-] [email protected] 46 points 3 weeks ago

Why take sides if both are shit. Apple with their stupidly controlled walled garden VS Epic thinking they can buy their way into infinite reach everywhere. I'm rather pleased they didn't agree with each other, because their cooperation seems even worse than them acting as separate entities.

[-] [email protected] 54 points 3 weeks ago

In a fight between Apple and Epic, I'm rooting for the fight

[-] [email protected] 32 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

I'd take an Apple loss over an Epic one any day here. Apple's walled garden philosophy has permanently damaged the tech literacy of an entire generation, and the fact that ~half of all people that want to use a smartphone to do things simply can't just install a FOSS application downloaded from Github to do the thing is an atrocity. Apple getting away with it also emboldens Google to make their phones/tablets into "gadgets" instead of "computers" with stuff like file permissions policies (that became so restrictive that the devs for Syncthing simply gave up on Android as a platform).

Meanwhile, Epic's greatest evil that affects me is that I don't play some video games because they're exclusive to Epic's store, and also some video games are worse because it "just makes too much financial sense" for AAA devs to release UE5 slop. Operating systems and programs are more important than video games, and video games as a medium are more restricted by stuff like what Apple's doing than what the AAA devs do to generate shareholder value.

[-] [email protected] 12 points 3 weeks ago

Both are scummy, but in this specific circumstance Epic is in the right. Apple's anti-competitive, monopolistic trust needs to be broken.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 3 weeks ago

I managed to never drop a penny on Epic. The game launcher relaunch with all the propoganda put me in a state of "voting with my dollar" where I decided I'd give it a year or two before I tried out their storefront. Then when they decided to sick all the fortnite kids on Apple in this pathetic attempt to get attention on their case, I was like nope never buying a thing. Apple of course, can also eat my ass

[-] [email protected] 22 points 3 weeks ago

Oh, so Apple is eager for another demand, huh

[-] [email protected] 16 points 3 weeks ago

Delaying the review process is just petty, but lawsuits are only profitable when you win, so Apple denying the app would mean Epic wanting another lawsuit.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago

Do you think a court could force Apple to allow any and all software in the App Store? In other words, it’s not Apple’s decision who they do business with?

[-] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago

I doubt it. They could expand the list of allowed content, but Apple has a right (and responsibility) to moderate the content on their platform

[-] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

Could lead to allowing alternative app repositories outside of just the App Store to keep Apple from gate keeping

[-] [email protected] 16 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Give them a real, damaging fine that makes them think twice about doing something like that ever again.

[-] [email protected] 10 points 3 weeks ago

Honestly, I maintain the ancient line of if you're playing games on Apple you're doing it wrong. Apple is not a gaming platform. That said, Fortnite sucks so meh.

[-] [email protected] -5 points 3 weeks ago

"App Review shouldn't be weaponised by senior management as a tool to delay or obstruct competition, due process, or free speech."

Apple has no obligation to be fair to competition or uphold freedom of speech. Due process is completely irrelevant.

Tim Sweeney is an honest-to-goodness piece of shit.

this post was submitted on 16 May 2025

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