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New Zealand MPs who performed haka in parliament given unprecedented punishment
(www.theguardian.com)
Unconscionable.
this post was submitted on 15 May 2025
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Does the hakka mean the same as it does in western cultures as a peaceful perfomative protest or does that mean something like a threat/declaration of war in Maori culture? I'd apply the former, but last time I did that I was accused of being orientalist :/
It can be both. Traditionally is was a 'war dance', but depending on the lyrics and context it can be used as welcoming, a farewell, or many such things. You would have to translate it to know.
makes sense
I think that was amazingly awesome. The people saying there's a time and place, you're correct. This was the time and place. Take a stand, make noise, make people uncomfortable. Quiet compliance is what got us here in the first place.
Exactly. White person living on the other side of the god damn planet here, and I cheered when I heard what she did. She's amazing. If all politicians had her moral fiber and backbone, we'd have world peace.
Also like, it's fucking Aoteroa. In colonial nations one must be prepared for indigenous members of their government to perform cultural acts of resistance when the colonist faction of the government gets up to some shit.
From the other side of the world I saw her actions powerful and warranted. Though I do come from a country with a history of far less reasonable displays of dissatisfaction in our legislature.
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Culture, in MY politics?? No, no, I need to pretend all people are the same and want the same things I do, if I have the context of culture 🤢 I might have to consider people have valid perspectives I don’t share!! /s if we do that here
The people critizing her think Americans politics are the best model.
American here and who the fuck are these insane people
They are the locals. They are indigenous New Zealanders and they are doing something that is customary in their culture in the kind of situation they were in during that session.
The New Zealand lawmakers were trying to pass a bill that would have severely reduced the rights of the locals, and this reaction is part of how the local culture demands people to act.
I think the "insane people" they were referring to are the people who "think Americans politics are the best model"?
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They did a dance and were suspended. Sounds like New Zealand parliament is channeling their inner magat.
Wait if I'm reading this right this punishment comes from something that happened 5 months ago and it will result in them not being allowed to participate in the budget debate? Will that's fucking Twisted isn't it? If it was really a punishment for an action why would it not happen sooner? Why would they wait until this critical budget debate to implement it? Seems like maybe it's just an excuse to stop these people from participating in the budget debate. Like an excuse to stop their constituents from being represented. This is blatantly anti-democratic.
In Spain one congressman, Alberto Rodríguez Rodríguez, had his seat removed by a "judicial decision" in 2021 and once the elections passed, in 2024, and he didn't have the seat anymore, that "judicial decision" was reversed, saying that he had to be fined but he shouldn't have lost his seat.
Now everyone, let's sing: LAWFAREEEEEEEEEEE!
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It’s racism so that the colonialist power structure can continue its genocide without dissent from the people it is targeting
The three MPs will not receive their salaries during the suspension and will not be present during next week’s annual budget debate.
There we have it. They're making sure that Maori people won't have representation when taking away their rights is debated again.
This sort of thing always strikes me as odd.
There are agreed rules on language, some parliaments have dress code but besides penalties or fines a representative can be served with under no situation a representative can be barred from exercisizing their dutifully elected functions.
I have representatives in my national assembly with criminal charges that none the less exercise as they have been elected.
This is plainly stupid and abusive.
This is plainly stupid and abusive.
Layers of bureaucracy mostly exist to insulate the ruling class from anything that may threaten their power.
The solution, as usual, is to lose faith in the system and fight back in the ways you can. Namely, your wallets.
My wallet as no place in this conversation. It is just a battered piece a leather that is currently struggling to hold two bank cards, some coins and a few receipts. And my identification cards.
Fight with your vote. Support smaller parties. Be politically active. Demand change.
In New Zealand it is pretty common for members of parliament to get thrown out of the chamber for a whole bunch of reasons. In general you have to do whatever the speaker says, sort of like you would a judge in a court proceeding. There's a whole lot ( perhaps dated ) rules around treating other members of the house with respect, letting them speak when their part of the process is up etc.
I think most of this is covered by this list of rules: https://www.parliament.nz/en/pb/parliamentary-rules/standing-orders-2017-by-chapter/chapter-3-general-procedures/
I don't know about the NZ parliament, but in the UK parliament upon which it is based it absolutely possible for members to be thrown out of the chamber. It's not even that rare. Famously Dennis Skinner was kicked out for calling them Prime Minister David Cameron "Dodgy Dave" and refusing to retract it.
Are you quoting some rule or just your own expectation?
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Save this example for the next time some chud tries to tell you colonization is a past event and not an ongoing process right this minute
This call for more hakas... 💪
Hakas will continue until morale improves
My morale improved with the first one! .....there is room for further improvement though 🤔
Colonialism is alive and well in NZ.
It was clear the collective western governance doesn't give a shit about indigenous people when they facilitated, funded, supplied arms, and downplayed the palestinian genocide. Their "human rights" only extends to marketing themselves as moral civilized people, while making themselves rich and powerful comes first.
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Pretty amazing, the NZ conservatives mount a major attack on Māori and are then intimidated by haka. Snowflakes.
Every parliament record here in Hungary
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