The DNC cited a procedural concern, but Hogg said it is “impossible to ignore the broader context” of his criticisms.

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[+] 164 points 1 year ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (39 children)
  • [–] 30 points 1 year ago (14 children)

    People will never learn if they can't make it to the second paragraph:

    As a result of a challenge from Kalyn Free, a losing candidate in the election, the committee decided that the election was not conducted properly and that it violated the DNC’s gender parity rules. If the full body of the DNC rules the same way, it will force Hogg and fellow Vice Chair Malcolm Kenyatta to run for election again later this year.

    The old DNC ran a ahitty vice election that broke its own rules.

    The current DNC decided via comitte the best way to handle it was to redo the vote. Which is not a big deal for the DNC.

    Like, what would you prefer the current DNC do in this scenario?

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  • [–] 49 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

    It might be technically valid, but it's literally being used as an excuse to get rid of him.


    Ken Martin(DNC chair) has been whining about Hogg for a while. Being real upset that he's trying to oust incumbents who refuse to do anything.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2026-election/david-hogg-disrupts-democratic-party-rcna202202

    And he doubled down a few days ago: Giving Hogg an ultimatum to take a "neutrality pledge" or step down.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2025/05/10/hogg-dnc-chair-ultimatum-00340272

    Hogg refused, so now they're pulling this one out.


    Like, what would you prefer the current DNC do in this scenario?

    They knew about it last week, before they gave him an ultimatum. Meaning they were holding it back and waiting for his response. They're not doing this out of the goodness of their hearts and wanting to follow the rules. If that was the case, they would have gone ahead right away.

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    [–] 71 points 1 year ago

    Finally! The DNC is finally taking action against the...oh never mind.

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  • [–] 60 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I would not consider myself a far leftie, more of a left of center kind of guy, but I have found Hogg’s vivacity refreshing. The old guard should squirm, considering they shat the bed last go-round, and may even have lost us the country.

    There are plenty of Bernie Trumpers out there, that feel this country has ignored them. And they’re right in the kinds of nooks and crannies where we need to win.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago

    Hogg is more of a centrist as well, his only sin was threatening the power of party leadership. As far as I know he's pretty much in the middle of the party when it comes to policy issues.

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  • [–] 52 points 1 year ago (153 children)

    Don’t ever ask for progressives’ vote again. We’re done voting blue no matter who.

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  • [–] 45 points 1 year ago (71 children)

    So where, pray tell, do the progressive votes go?

    Primary them sure. Try and snag it back. But you won't turn your next vote red. You know that. And they know that. And I sure as fuck won't do it either. The DNC can rot. But...

    You can and should blame the two party system sure. But if you don't primary and win. Well. We've seen that before again and again.

    I'm a progressive that will vote blue again. Reluctantly. Emphatically so. But I will.

    The posturing of principals means nothing in our political reality. And it pisses me off. But reality doesn't care about your feelings.

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago (23 children)

    But reality doesn't care about your feelings.

    Yeah so... uh... That kinda goes both ways. I've made this argument before so I'm just gonna copy paste it, but lemme just...

    Have you ever heard of gambler's ruin? It's the name of a few different results in statistics, but the one we want is this:

    In statistics, gambler's ruin is the fact that a gambler playing a game with negative expected value will eventually go bankrupt, regardless of their betting system.

    Now in modern US elections, does your bet have a positive or negative expected value for democracy? Is America becoming more or less of a democracy every election on average? Apply the theorem above to your answer and see what you get.

    To change the inevitable result, which is fascism in the United States, you have to change the game in some way, and primarying incumbents and voting blue no matter who is what progressives are already doing.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I really like the idea of a tea party style takeover. That seems much more actionable and realistic.

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    [–] 50 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    Proving him right, by doing more to stop him from running than they're doing to stop the fascist takeover

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    [–] 48 points 1 year ago* (17 children)

    The DNC is only another wing of the fascist corporatocracy /Kleptocracy /plutocracy their only function is to protect the capitalis that keeps them in power.

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  • [–] 17 points 1 year ago (8 children)

    2016 primaries were awful. DNC super delegates kept Sanders out, showing the worst aspects of super delegates. Establishment GOP couldn't keep Trump out, showing the worst aspects of a lack of super delegates.

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    [–] 41 points 1 year ago (7 children)

    The DNC is the primary reason we live under an authoritarian manbaby, Hogg isn't wrong

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    [–] 41 points 1 year ago (23 children)

    You cannot reform the party. Either it changes you, or they have you removed.

    Yes, the Democrats occupy and monopolize the space for a leftist party. That does not mean the Democrats are leftist, nor ever will be.

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    [–] 36 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    I guess the C in DNC stands for Corporation. The corporation doesn't like when underlings call them out on their bullshit

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    [–] 30 points 1 year ago

    Jenkins, did you hear that young master Hogg expects us to actually help the Plebs?! Egads, didn't anyone explain to him that that's a bit? Jenkins, I need you to get in the private jet and pay Schumer a visit-- no, Jenkins, thirty minutes is much too far to drive-- and also pass along this stock tip. We need to catch this Hogg before the Plebs start getting ideas, like expecting us to work, ha ha.

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  • [–] 27 points 1 year ago

    [Indeed, Hogg’s PAC, Leaders We Deserve, recently announced an initiative to fund young primary challengers in Democratic races.]

    Hey that is pretty cool. We need lots more people like Hogg and AOC and Sanders.

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  • [–] [S] 27 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    This whole situation is best summed up by this. If they were putting this much effort into fighting for the actual working class issues they would have won the previous election... Make of that what you will.

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    [–] 25 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Trump is on a mission to crash our economy, disappear people without due process, and participate in flagrant public corruption — and voters still trust him more than Democrats,” Hogg said in his statement. “That is a massive indictment of our party.”

    Thats a damning statement

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    [–] 25 points 1 year ago

    If they KEEP Hogg then they MIGHT have to Try a New Plan BESIDES Letting Americans Suffer Under Trump with LITERALLY NO PUSHBACK WHATSOEVER!

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  • [–] 22 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    DNC Moves to Oust David Hogg After He Says Party Isn’t Standing Up to Trump

    This title feels like a bit of a gaslight considering hes being ousted for saying his party doesn't represent their voters anymore. While not standing up to trump is part of it, its a smaller issue than the truth that the dems stopped giving a shit about their voters long ago.

    God it must be so easy to be a republican, just blame everything on immigrants and do whatever you want to them, simultaneously not pissing off your rich owners, and making your dipshit voting base happy. Its a win-win scenario where only the country loses.

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    [–] 20 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    They're not "ousting" anyone, and the process was put into motion months ago before he made any comments about primary challenges.

    You can literally just ask the other guy effected by this.

    What had happened was the prior DNC didn't follow its own election rules for the vice chair races. Imone of the candidates who lost challenged it, and a committee ruled that the fair way to handle it was redo the election, but this time follow the rules.

    The DNC chair is encouraging both the winners, and anyone else who wants to run, to run.

    Like, if you know what's happening, there's not a better way to clean up the mistakes of the last DNC chair.

    But the reason the media wants people to hate the DNC, is the people who own the media don't own the DNC anymore

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    [–] 16 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    A lot of the democratic establishment used to have a close relationship with Trump and took his money often over the years. Then Biden even helped him get re-elected by all the lies and nonsense last year.

    Things are not as they seem and the plan is clearly not for the establishment Democrats to stand up to Trump, they want him doing exactly what he's doing.

    This is because behind the scenes, it really is a uniparty, and the only thing any of them really care about is money.

    Political parties and disagreements are for the lower classes.

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    [–] 16 points 1 year ago

    Clearer Reason as to the main issue:

    David Hogg Into the Spotlight

    Into these discussions has stormed the 25-year-old Hogg, who has positioned himself as the man capable of steering the Democrats back on course using lessons learned from their recent losses.

    Hogg has criticized his own party for what he views as an alienating stance toward men, and cited the perceived obsession with cultural issues as a major factor in the Republicans' 2024 victories.

    "What I think happened last election is younger men—they would rather vote for somebody who they don't completely agree with, they don't feel judged by, than somebody who they do agree with, that they feel like they have to walk on eggshells around," Hogg said during a recent appearance on Real Time with Bill Maher.

    Hogg was again thrust into the center of this internal debate after his election to vice chair was deemed to have violated DNC bylaws which encourage gender parity among the party leadership. DNC member Kalyn Free, who lost to Hogg in February and brought the challenge against his victory, said that the committee improperly tallied votes and failed "to distinguish between gender categories in a meaningful way." In doing so, she argued, it "violated its own charter and bylaws, undermining both fairness and gender diversity."

    To some, this seemed like irony—the party voiding Hogg's election based on gender-based requirements, after he had criticized it for an overt focus on gender issues. To Hogg it also sniffed of retribution for his wider attempt to recalibrate the Democrats' focus and party makeup.

    Source: https://www.newsweek.com/democrats-dnc-election-david-hogg-2072004

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  • [–] 15 points 1 year ago* (10 children)

    Sure are a lot of no-avatar .world accounts in here advocating against uniting against Trump and the GOP 🤔

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