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Reverse the perspective - organic food is something YOU were designed to eat.
No, not really. All the food we eat has been carefully bred for centuries, which has changed food way faster than evolutionary timescales. For some reasons everyone still calls that “natural” though even though nature has nothing to do with it, it’s just human engineering.
Unprocessed food is food we concluded was okay after desperate people were forced to eat it long ago and didn't die.
Processed food is food we concluded was okay after desperate people were paid to eat it recently and didn't die.
Unprocessed food is more exploitative and erases the suffering of the past. Processed food compensates people for their exploitation, and there's no erasure of the suffering it causes.
I don't know how well this holds up, given that processed food is MADE from unprocessed food.
And we've progressed enough that we can tell if something is safe to eat without paying someone to eat it and watching if they get sick...
Not here for an argument, your comment is just genuinely confusing
All I got from that comment is "food is immoral." Guess I'll starve?
Like peanuts!
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Jokes aside, there's evidence that the more processed the food in your daily consumtion is, the more likely you're to get fat and other health issues. Our natural mechanisms to detect if you've had enough don't work as well on processed food.
Just in case someone takes this seriously.
That's because we designed food for efficiency types that don't take long term health into consideration but profit.
So we have food that does not contain undisgetible matter, bad tasting elements.
The biggest issue we have is, lack of fibrous content and other mechanical disgestion inhibitors cause a really accelerated nutriment absorbtion profile resulting in glycemic far in excess of what an healthy person can balance, resulting in spikes of both hyper and hypo glycemic episodes which cause minor but broad and cummulative structures of the bodies that have not necessarily been evolved to handle this kind of damage. Combine this with the stress, lack of time, emotionnal needs impacted by food consumption and you end up with what have today.
Also the logistics of portion control and the imbalance of the result by under or overshooting it(portion size, food satisfaction profile)
At first I was surprised that anybody even thinks some people may not understand this is a joke.
But then I remembered some people believe the Earth is flat... So yeah, it's probably important to point it up.
While its almost certain that whole food diets are optimal, theres nothing inherent about food being processed that makes it unhealthy. Some people take anything to do with diet/fitness/wellness to stupid places like "Ugh! That protein bar is PROCESSED! These brownies are home made from whole ingredients, I dont polute my body." Whey protein powder is processed, multi vitamins are processed and greens powders are processed... Raw milk isnt processed... my lactose free dairy products are processed and thats best for everyone.
It's not literally any processing that's the problem. It's that what we generally call processed food is engineered to optimize for things other than the health of those who eat it: flavor, addictiveness, cheapness, etc. And all of those goals are so pervasive and so at odds with health that virtually anything we call "processed food" is terrible for us.
Isn't "Processed" a really open term? Like, if I bake some veggies in my oven they're technically processed?
Not to mention that all the vegetables we eat have been carefully bred by humans, which is a process unrelated to nature.
Yes. People have conflated the term "processed food" with the higher end processing that some foods get, more correctly called ultra processed foods.
Processing food is transforming it from one state to another. Bread is a processed food because you've milled the wheat. Acme® Fued lewps™ are ultra processed because the corn was dissolved in acid, reconstituted into a fiberless slurry, fortified with enough vitamins to be legally referred to as nutrition, fortified with enough sugar, salt and fats to make your body demand you eat more, then bulked with milk protein concentrates to make you feel like you're eating something substantial and also qualify as a dairy product for tax purposes.
The conversation would often be much clearer if people didn't use the term for "almost all food" when thet mean the more chemistry oriented type of food.
Even within the category of ultra processed foods there are items that are perfectly benign. Breakfast cereals can be perfectly healthy, but they're necessarily ultra processed since you need at least minimal shelf stability.
Processing isn't intrinsically bad, it's just that the worst foods are ultra processed because that's how they did the things that make them bad, and every transformation destroys some portion of the food, and eventually you need to start adding things back in to make it keep being food, or at least appearing to be food.
It's why there is also the category of ultra processed. That's where they start to add fat, sugar, salt, dye and preservatives. That's where things get unhealthy.
Exactly. Take my preferred snack for example, a bag of oven baked pork rinds. 37G protein, 12g fat, 0 carbs. (Ok theres an assload of salt) about 250 cals. No artificial colors, flavours or preservatives... is that "processed"?
My point was more along the lines that a "processed" formed chicken breast pattie isnt somehow worse for you than a big slab of crunchy fatty pork belly because it went through a machine. Its possible to make good decisions involving processed food and terrible whole foods decisions too... delicious decadent "now I want pork belly" decisions. I do wonder how many of these studies control for calorie intake, quality of nutrition, etc.
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If you wash the dirt of the veggies they are technically processed
Processed unhealthy foods are generally viewed as the items that have been stripped down in to some degree and then reassembled with ingredients like sugar, preservatives, flavors, dyes, stabilizers, etc.
Many studies have shown that yes, indeed, there are processed foods that are inherently unhealthy. We don’t need to play with semantics of what “processed” means to split hairs in an effort to be right.
First thing I said was that whole foods are optimal, thats the key takeaway here. Yeah, some processed foods are TERRIBLE for you, some processed foods are "not bad" for you, some are even healthy. My point is that a food being processed isnt the defining element on wether or not its bad for you. In most cases its the ease of access combined with the hyper paletable nature of processed foods that will do you in.
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You have a study link? I'm interested in how they show causation. Because health conscious people will be more likely to eat healthier, and less likely to eat highly processed foods.
The harsh reality of ultra processed food - with Chris Van Tulleken
not a study but an informative RI lecture
Looks like this is the relevant study from that video. It found people eat more calories of highly processed food when given the option, which makes sense. Weight gain was highly correlated with calorie intake though, so if you eat the same amount of calories of highly processed and unprocessed food, it should have the same weight gain.
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above all else, processed foods are designed to maximize profits.
processed foods
Cool: define it objectively.
If it's cleaned, peeled, or cooked, is it processed?
Sorting is a process. If they took out any of the bad ones before shipping it, it's been processed.
They're talking about ultra/highly processed foods, which is what most people mean when they mention it.
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What a great way of thinking about it.
I think the word organic gets over used a lot, like "try our organic strawberries", I've never heard of chemical strawberries so what's the deal?
Afaik, organic is related to how things are grown and processed. For example, you shouldn't use the peel from normal lemons as they are treated with fungicide wax that is not exactly healthy. If you buy organic lemons, you can use the peel. But I agree that the term is overused and missunderstood a lot, and blindly trusting that organic foods are healthy does not work
Really? You've never had starburst or skittles?
Even organic is chemical
As I understand, it's a legal food term in the US. Can't write it onto your food there, unless you fulfill certain requirements in how it's produced.
Mechanical strawberries are also not great for you
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