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Lenovo Cuts the Windows Tax and offers Cheaper Laptops with Linux Pre-installed

At least in the U.S. and Canada, that is.

This was brought to my attention thanks to a Reddit post where a user (presumably a resident of Canada), had posted how Lenovo was shipping laptops with Fedora and Ubuntu at a cheaper price compared to their Windows-equipped counterparts.

Others then chimed in, saying that Lenovo has been doing this since at least 2020 and that the big price difference shows how ridiculous Windows' pricing is.

Cutting the Windows Tax

When I dug in further, I found out that the US and Canadian websites for Lenovo offered U.S. $140 and CAD $211 off on the same ThinkPad X1 Carbon model when choosing any one of the Linux-based alternatives.

Lenovo Cuts the Windows Tax and offers Cheaper Laptops with Linux Pre-installedLenovo Cuts the Windows Tax and offers Cheaper Laptops with Linux Pre-installed

US pricing on left, Canadian pricing on right.

Interestingly, while the difference in pricing is noticeable, your mileage may vary if you are looking for such laptops on the official website. Not all models from their laptop lineup, like ThinkPad, Yoga, Legion, LOQ, etc., feature an option to get Linux pre-installed during the checkout process.

Luckily, there is an easy way to filter through the numerous laptops. Just go to the laptops section (U.S.) on the Lenovo website and turn on the "Operating System" filter under the Filter by specs sidebar menu.

Lenovo Cuts the Windows Tax and offers Cheaper Laptops with Linux Pre-installed

Yes, it's as simple as that. You can do the same for the various official online regional storefronts that Lenovo runs to see whether Linux-based operating systems are being offered on their laptops in your country.

Closing Thoughts

It is good to see that Lenovo is offering Linux in its laptops. In fact, there is another big-name laptop manufacturer, Dell, who also does something similar with its Ubuntu-certified laptops, but both have the same constraint of having limited options for buyers.

Also, as far as I know, Dell doesn't reduce the pricing if you choose Linux instead of Windows. Correct me if I am wrong in the comments.

Nonetheless, I think these manufacturers could do a better job in marketing these Linux-based alternative operating systems to general consumers, showing them how they can save big when opting for these instead of the pricey and bloated Windows.

Otherwise, we might have to start observing Windows Refund Day again.

πŸ’¬ Your take on this? Would mainstream users benefit from having Linux pre-installed on their laptops?


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[–] [email protected] 76 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

This is awesome and I love it. Maybe they could even take a few more dollars off by not having any OS installed (bypassing the labor costs of imaging an SSD). I’ll be installing my own copy anyway, so I’m fine with a blank SSD.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Those manufacturers where you can select either Linux or no OS don't charge extra for Linux.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

I mean it’s like maybe a dollar or two for the labor costs, so that’s understandable. I’d still prefer just a blank SSD anyway.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 weeks ago

It's likely done in an automated way by the same equipment that tests the hardware, so costs are probably more along the lines of a few fractions of a penny, and imo shipping any device without an os at all is a bit silly as they could very likely end up in the hands of someone without the capability or equipment to image them.

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[–] [email protected] 63 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

It kinda blows my mind that "no OS" isn't the cheapest option

[–] [email protected] 33 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

It's the same reason that you have to pay more to stream videos without ads...

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Yeah, smart TVs with no OS are way more expensive than the ones riddled with ads as well.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 weeks ago

I seem to recall in the past Microsoft pressured manufacturers to not sell computers without an operating system, arguing that unscrupulous consumers would install pirated copies of Windows on them. A ridiculous argument, but it was the excuse they used.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

That's great! - But. But, I hope some people check it out carefully. Some years ago, Lenovo middle-man'd the SSL root certificate on laptops so they could inject ads into Https web pages. (And spy on users? Steal passwords? Manipulate bank accounts? I hope not...)

I wonder what they could hide in an own Linux install?

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Dell did the same thing - in the same year too.

You should always clean install your OS. Let the guys wanting to spy on you put some effort in.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Really?! Do you have a source? I'd like to look this up!

[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

https://www.zdnet.com/article/how-to-remove-dells-superfish-2-0-root-certificate-permanently/

It’s actually called eDellRoot, not Superfish though.

You can safely assume that probably every manufacturer did or still does similar thing - whether they’re caught is another story though.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Do you have any reputable articles of this? I’m interested cheers

[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 weeks ago

Thank you that’s appalling and I’m glad I build my own pcs

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

Just look it up. It made the news rounds about 10 or so years ago. It was a big deal at the time. Just about everyone covered it and Lenovo acknowledged it and, IIRC they apologized for it

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 3 weeks ago (8 children)

2025 is the year of the Linux ~~desktop~~ laptop!

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

I thought OEMs only paid like $10 for Windows?

[–] [email protected] 36 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

they tend to make money off it due to the bundle deals and commissions and what-not.

a major oem charging $140-200 is all profit.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Perhaps it’s a direct response to the tarrifs, as well as an instance of a Chinese company finding a way to fuck over an American company now that trade relations across the board between the US and PRC are juddering to a halt.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 weeks ago

It says they've been offering this since 2020

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

It's usually 10% of the device MSRP for windows pro.

There are some very low cost devices that get it for $10 for windows home..

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 3 weeks ago

Here in Europe it was possible to buy almost all laptops and desktops from Lenovo without OS preinstalled since long time, saved a lot of money that way. It's nice that they officially offer Linux now.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I bought a laptop without a Windows license from Lenovo years ago. It came with FreeDOS, if I remember correctly. I wanted to install Linux, so I didn't care. In some areas they've been offering this for a while now.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)
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[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I have been running popos on my x1 for some years now. Only had problems with audio not working from one day to another, but other than that it has great support from Lenovo. Even the 4G modem has official drivers.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Computer companies tried that for a while like 15 years ago, too.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 weeks ago

Except now you don't need to run proprietary software. Everything is online. If Chromebooks work for 90% of users, Linux will work for even more.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The timing here with compatability getting better could be a huge difference maker.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Now they need to make the BIOS updates installable from Linux or ability to flash them from the BIOS. But I like this move, hope more start doing so.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

which is integrated into the app store on fedora, at least

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

I'm very new to Linux and a very casual user but I'm really loving it. I also can't afford the existing Linux laptops, and I am on the market for a new machine. So yeah I'd buy a cheap laptop that ships with Linux. If it comes with a discount, that's even better!

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

Only on North America, you say?

pity.

For at least the last decade, Europe has been abandoning Microsoft in droves.

I suspect soon Microsoft will be unknown in Europe except as "That system they use over there."

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 weeks ago (7 children)

Installing my own OS is half the fun of getting a new computer. Why would I want the manufacturer to install an OS?

[–] [email protected] 32 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

a nice 140 usd discount sounds like a decent incentive

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 weeks ago

Good way to check that all the parts are working before putting whatever you want on it.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

you get the discount + you can reinstall it yourself/install a different distro + it shows the general market how much of the cost is due to a Windows license and other OS alternatives, creating more informed consumers

i see it as a benefit

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 weeks ago

Idk maybe so you can start using it?

Nothing is stopping you from throwing out the OEM install.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 weeks ago

Because laptop manufacturers don't make laptops for people who want to install their own OSes. The average tech illiterate just wants something that works out of the box.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago

Free rainbow socks or no deal!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

I quite like their laptops but they put the most horrible keyboards I've ever used. I've had chronic rsi and my fingers physically hurt less than 8h of use.

Do they have high end laptops (32g RAM, top i7 or similar, for Android development) at reasonable prices with good keyboards? I've been on Xps for a while.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago

Fantastic development. I got the "last year's" model of a Lenovo Legion gaming laptop for work a few years ago bc it was one of the few affordable models that I could find at the time with a second m.2 slot. Expandable memory was a nice bonus. Love the keyboard, too. Been really happy with it. I run Kinoite on it.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (7 children)

So when will Asus & Dell do it ?? Actually; now that I think, why aren't FrameWorks, System76, Tuxedo & StarLabs not aggresively competing ??

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago

Year of the Linux desktop is here! /s

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