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[–] [email protected] 5 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

We’re all guilty and we should all go on strike

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 hours ago

Defense contractor... Strike... I see what you did there

[–] [email protected] 23 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

Yes, I spent the last 20 years developing a very particular kind of chemical agent that is tailor made to dissolve an eight-year-old's testicles. But I assure you we only intend to use it in self-defense.

I have no idea how the Israelis got seventy of them.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

To be honest i think its one of these industries that should never be private. Why do we think it is a good idea to have people profit from war in such a direct way?

[–] [email protected] 20 points 18 hours ago

Because wherever there is a possibility to make massive amounts of money, those with power will push and push and push to be in control of it.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 19 hours ago (8 children)

I worked in the analysis tool division of a company that built civilian and military jets when I was fresh out of engineering school.

I didn't feel too bad about it because I was making commercial aircraft quieter and more efficient with my work. Then, the Iraq war started up and they told me I had to work on the engine for the F22. I started looking for a new job that day.

Now I work in planetary defense and don't feel guilty about it...

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 hours ago

I don’t work for a defence contractor, but i’ll probably be going to hell anyway since I picked up making/racing drones as a hobby specifically so i have some way of raising hell if my country is ever invaded.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (11 children)

Not all countries are the USA btw. Most countries use their defense budget to actually defend themselves from external very real threats.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

USA is the external real threat.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 17 hours ago

Any superpower is a threat.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 17 hours ago

I completely lost respect for an intern when I found out he was going to a weapons company next.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (4 children)

Working for Social media companies or health insurance companies isn’t any better as far as destroying the world and mass murdering people by proxy

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 day ago (5 children)

The number of people defending Lockheed Martin here is staggering, but I guess I shouldn't be surprised given the apparent makeup of Lemmy's population

I'll make this very, very simple: working for a well-known defense contractor who brags about making bombs is bad. Working for Lockheed Martin is unethical.

Working for a large corporation (Microsoft) that funds or supports wars (Israel) is also bad, but not as bad as Lockheed Martin, the company that actually builds the bombs that are bought with the dollars that Microsoft sends to Israel

Working for any company that could theoretically contribute economically to a war is bad, but not as bad as the previous two examples and is more or less unavoidable for working people

Paying any kind of tax (especially in the US) ultimately funds wars, and so isn't good either, but it's not as bad as any of the three above options, and no one can avoid it (except billionaires of course)

[–] [email protected] 25 points 21 hours ago

To add, "There's no ethical consumption under capitalism" applies to your labor, as well. The phrase is meant to provide perspective, and shouldn't be used as an excuse to do whatever.

I'm not particularly happy with everything the company I work for does. Especially the actions of the people at the top. But it's not notably worse than any other Fortune 500.

Lockheed, though? It's bad in a more fundamental way.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 19 hours ago

The education system functions to indoctrinate, privilege, and filter.

If there's one thing that I learned from grad school, it's that talented people will be made dependent and subservient to death and doom for money... But more importantly because that's the social system they've been funneled into. They don't see any alternatives.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 17 hours ago

I'd say depends on which one and what lobby work they have done. If it is from the US or Russia, it is probably a big no-no.

If it is a European or South American defense contractor or weapons manufacturer, it varies.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 17 hours ago

damn it's true

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I volunteer in my free time so that more Russian occupiers will be eliminated. I’m very proud of myself.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"I refuse to work in defense. I'd rather my work wasn't used to blow anyone up" is a line I've used in multiple job interviews. I like to think the hell I end up going to at least has chilly weather and/or really good AC.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Ah, you’re going to visit Hell, Michigan.

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 day ago (18 children)

I had a friend in a difficult position, deciding between high pay at Buy N Large or the opportunity to work on insanely cool shit for Death Inc.

Ultimately he chose Death Inc, and the reasoning was along the lines of "This might kill a hundred people, but at least it'll kill them specifically. I can't even conceptualize the harm Amazon et al. do on a global scale to entire populations without even trying".

Made me think. I didn't have a very good answer to that.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 17 hours ago

That’s an interesting take. One on one side the death is a haphazard byproduct and on the other it is at least motivated by someone. Somebody has to have a vision for why these weapons need to be used. I’d argue though that in the case of Amazon, wether or not it’s of any priority to them, the suffering would be something worth ironing out over time whereas, for weapons companies, it’s the entire product they sell

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 day ago (1 children)

those bombs will kill far more than just a hundred people, far more than he can ever conceptualize. the consequences of those deaths will shape the world more than the extra microsecond an engineer could shave off of an internal Amazon function

[–] [email protected] 3 points 16 hours ago

yea but nestle

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