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Defense contractor... Strike... I see what you did there
Yes, I spent the last 20 years developing a very particular kind of chemical agent that is tailor made to dissolve an eight-year-old's testicles. But I assure you we only intend to use it in self-defense.
I have no idea how the Israelis got seventy of them.
I don’t work for a defence contractor, but i’ll probably be going to hell anyway since I picked up making/racing drones as a hobby specifically so i have some way of raising hell if my country is ever invaded.
To be honest i think its one of these industries that should never be private. Why do we think it is a good idea to have people profit from war in such a direct way?
Because wherever there is a possibility to make massive amounts of money, those with power will push and push and push to be in control of it.
I worked in the analysis tool division of a company that built civilian and military jets when I was fresh out of engineering school.
I didn't feel too bad about it because I was making commercial aircraft quieter and more efficient with my work. Then, the Iraq war started up and they told me I had to work on the engine for the F22. I started looking for a new job that day.
Now I work in planetary defense and don't feel guilty about it...
I completely lost respect for an intern when I found out he was going to a weapons company next.
Not all countries are the USA btw. Most countries use their defense budget to actually defend themselves from external very real threats.
It would've been better if you cropped out the useless comment
I'd say depends on which one and what lobby work they have done. If it is from the US or Russia, it is probably a big no-no.
If it is a European or South American defense contractor or weapons manufacturer, it varies.
damn it's true
Working for Social media companies or health insurance companies isn’t any better as far as destroying the world and mass murdering people by proxy
The education system functions to indoctrinate, privilege, and filter.
If there's one thing that I learned from grad school, it's that talented people will be made dependent and subservient to death and doom for money... But more importantly because that's the social system they've been funneled into. They don't see any alternatives.
The number of people defending Lockheed Martin here is staggering, but I guess I shouldn't be surprised given the apparent makeup of Lemmy's population
I'll make this very, very simple: working for a well-known defense contractor who brags about making bombs is bad. Working for Lockheed Martin is unethical.
Working for a large corporation (Microsoft) that funds or supports wars (Israel) is also bad, but not as bad as Lockheed Martin, the company that actually builds the bombs that are bought with the dollars that Microsoft sends to Israel
Working for any company that could theoretically contribute economically to a war is bad, but not as bad as the previous two examples and is more or less unavoidable for working people
Paying any kind of tax (especially in the US) ultimately funds wars, and so isn't good either, but it's not as bad as any of the three above options, and no one can avoid it (except billionaires of course)
To add, "There's no ethical consumption under capitalism" applies to your labor, as well. The phrase is meant to provide perspective, and shouldn't be used as an excuse to do whatever.
I'm not particularly happy with everything the company I work for does. Especially the actions of the people at the top. But it's not notably worse than any other Fortune 500.
Lockheed, though? It's bad in a more fundamental way.
I volunteer in my free time so that more Russian occupiers will be eliminated. I’m very proud of myself.
If I worked for a defence contractor, I would make the most accurate weapons in the world. Why? Because when the people who fired those weapons are up in court and they go "Oh well I didn't MEAN to hit that hospital, the bomb just didn't hit its intended target", the prosecutor can go "Nonsense! Those are the most accurate weapons in the world. They ONLY hit what you intended to hit with as much force as you wanted to hit it with!".
The weapons are gonna get built, I'd rather there be no ambiguity in how they get used. It's not like WW2 where Bomber Command was like "Here's the dockyards we want to blow up, and a bajillion tonnes of bombs to blow it up with", and then the bombers flatten half a city just trying to hit the docks and miss every single time because it's cloudy, or hit an entirely different city because they got lost on the way!. You only have to look at Russia's "throw enough artillery shells at the area until it's completely flat" approach to war to know what happens when you haven't got precision munitions, or not enough of them.
But if you look at the actual reality of what happens, those bombs are still used to kill civilians with no repercussions.
Bombs are going to be used to kill civilians anyway. Would you rather their deaths be intentional or accidental? Either way a bomb is going to go off, the best you can do is ensure the bomb hits where the person dropping it intended. That way, if it's a civilian, the person dropping the bomb has no deniability because they hit exactly what they intended to hit.
Nah. I just won't help bomb civilians at all. I can't always control whether others help bomb civilians, but I can always control whether I help bomb civilians. Civilian deaths are 99% intentional. They are decided before the bomb is deployed. You will make the bombs knowing they will be used immorally.
Not always immorally. Sometimes they kill Russians (soldiers).