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[–] [email protected] 3 points 20 hours ago

Noooooo! He had his whole life ahead of him.

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[–] [email protected] 120 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I fucking hate you Vance, this is your fault!

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[–] [email protected] 413 points 2 days ago (43 children)

I am surpringly annoyed about Americans somehow finding a way to make this about themselves.

In reality I'm much more worried about the likely counterreformist pushback that is likely about to happen. We're about to find out if a remarkably powerful organization's leader was able to seed enough support to secure a politically aligned successor, and if the answer is "no" a bunch of organizations are about to get even more ruthlessly conservative at a time when a new strain of fascism is seeking moral support. The Catholic Church has been here before. It didn't go well.

[–] [email protected] 232 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

"Francis appointed nearly 80% of the cardinal electors who will choose the next pope, increasing the possibility that his successor will continue his progressive policies, despite the strong pushback from traditionalists."

https://www.reuters.com/world/pope-francis-has-died-vatican-says-video-statement-2025-04-21/

[–] [email protected] 84 points 2 days ago (2 children)

The catch is that he did not appoint by ideology. His appointments were mainly based on the guys doing work for poor people, for migrants, and on them doing their jobs in the global south.

Quite a few of these he made cardinals are somewhat conservative in their views, especially regarding sexuality

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[–] [email protected] 109 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (9 children)

Yeah. It's more than annoying, especially as it's the same old Vance joke again and again and again. Which isn't even clever.

I am not a Christian by any means but I worked with them quite often. Francis did change a lot of things and while he wasn't in no way perfect - he did have his drawbacks, for a fucking pope he was much better than anyone before him within the last few hundred years. People (especially on the internet)nowadays expect other people, especially political leaders to "check all their boxes" and if one thing is not going as far as they want, they are alienated.

Often I have the impression that as long as someone is not going "all the way" in the right direction they are seen as bad as someone who does not do anything at all or goes in the wrong direction. (Which is ironic because the church itself has evolved past the "saint or sinner" directive)

Francis has been going in the right direction probably 60% of the way and 10% in the wrong direction. Is the Catholic church there yet? No. Is there a big chance it might turn back? Yes. Would he been elected if he was so reformist it was sure he would topple everything and go 100%? Surely not.

But he did much more than any of his predecessors did.

Any much more most commenters do.

Besides: It's okay to feel sorry for an old man dying. That's called fucking compassion. I work in healthcare and have seen a lot of people die. I feel sorry for almost all of them.

In the end a human has died. Period.

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[–] [email protected] 114 points 2 days ago (17 children)

Guys. Joe Biden is Catholic. The Vatican has an opportunity to do the funniest thing ever.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 20 hours ago

I dont think another crusade is necessary just to bring Biden to justice.

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[–] [email protected] 137 points 2 days ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 70 points 2 days ago (2 children)

JD Vance: "How long have you worked here?"

[–] [email protected] 56 points 2 days ago

"Have you said Thanks, even once?"

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 days ago

Is Francis really your name? What's on your birth certificate?

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[–] [email protected] 267 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Yeah, meeting JD Vance can be too much for anyone.

[–] [email protected] 86 points 2 days ago (1 children)

We should spread the news that Vance killed him!

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[–] [email protected] 78 points 2 days ago (6 children)

Pope is recovering;

  • meets JD Vance

  • dies a couple days later....

Hmm

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Many people are asking "Did JD Vance have a hand in the Pope's death?"

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 days ago (6 children)

He died the very next day.

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[–] [email protected] 160 points 2 days ago (45 children)

I'm actually sad about this one. He was by far the best pope of my lifetime.

[–] [email protected] 111 points 2 days ago (12 children)
[–] [email protected] 88 points 2 days ago

True but he exceeded the existing bar by a lot.

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 2 days ago (7 children)

Gfdi. I'm not religious, but knowing that Catholics are going to choose a new Pope, I can only look forward to more bad news of comformity to godawful world news in the form of a shitty New Pope who inspires and empowers all the shitty people.

Great, one more thing to make the world even worse.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 days ago (1 children)

There's some hope.... part of Francis' papacy involved him promoting more open-minded cardinals (who are the ones who choose popes) but we'll see

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 days ago (5 children)

My sincere hope is that the Catholic Church looks at how they were perceived under Benedict—a staunchly conservative Pope that led to massive losses in respect, attendance, and relevance; and how they were perceived under Francis—an actually compassionate and humble servant of the Church and its people. And based on that, they choose another Pope who's in the same vein as Francis to continue bringing the Church into this century. There is still decades of work to be done, but we absolutely can't go backwards right now.

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[–] [email protected] 126 points 2 days ago (5 children)

It's a true shame. Francis was the most "eco-socialist" pope we are going to get. Managing to offend entrenched conservatives deserves respect.

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[–] [email protected] 58 points 2 days ago (16 children)

Looks like it's time for another pope race. I would like to throw my hat in the ring. As a lapsed Catholic trans woman who's never so much as visited a seminary, I know I'm an unorthodox choice. But maybe it's time to mix things up. My central campaign planks? We're going to bring back indulgences and try to make the Papal States a thing again. Also, expect skits and improv sessions to have a big place in Catholic mass in the future!

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

"Before Francis took ill in February, he criticized President Donald Trump’s mass deportation policy. 'What is built on the basis of force,' Francis warned in a letter to American bishops, 'and not on the truth about the equal dignity of every human being, begins badly and will end badly.'"

-New York Times

[–] [email protected] 65 points 2 days ago (8 children)

The child in me kind of wishes he had passed on 4/20 Easter, but alas.

That being said, while I'm not religious I appreciate a lot (not all) of what this Pope has done. His Apostolic Exhortation on the Idolatry of Money, and the gross inequality wrought by capitalism is worth a read.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 days ago

Bring him back, take Trump instead

[–] [email protected] 115 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This is huge, pinning it for now.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 days ago (1 children)

One would even suggest this is world news.

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[–] [email protected] 109 points 2 days ago (1 children)

JD Vance visits the Vatican, the pope literally dies

I guess he didn't say "thank you"

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 2 days ago (3 children)
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[–] [email protected] 56 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

"That was because he refused to welcome god-king JD vance in person!!!! God punished the pope for his impertinence!!!!"

- Some MAGA-Nut somewhere, probably

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 2 days ago

Okay, we need to know where every US government official was.

Right after the Pope told trump to have some compassion, a very coincidental timing...

🤔

[–] [email protected] 76 points 2 days ago (3 children)

let's wait a couple days and see if he comes back

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[–] [email protected] 39 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Boy asks Pope if his atheist father is in heaven.

Humility, patience, kindness, grace, and rationality. Would that we should have more leaders like him in the future.

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[–] [email protected] 67 points 2 days ago (11 children)

He was an alright Pope in the end. Not a soulless bastard like Benedict.

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 2 days ago (20 children)

This is sad. He was indeed a great pope. But, WTF did JD do?

[–] [email protected] 43 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Probably, he finished him...

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