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[–] [email protected] 20 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Maybe Cali could make an agreement to join Canada or EU.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 16 hours ago

You'll need easy access to Canada. What better way than to have a close Canadian Province? - Wa state

[–] [email protected] 13 points 18 hours ago

lol i'm considering a move to Tijuana so i can commute to San Diego.. if California can nix the chicken tax then i'm moving.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 19 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

It's really not legally possible, meaning your either having a revolution, a civil war, or the USA has no ability to stop you as it's effectively over.

Unless CA has military bases that would fully side with them, as in all the ones in CA and they would need other states, THEN a war could be possible, but that is very unlikely, currently there's no military that could beat the US military, so it's not even worth going over unless the US dissolves.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

The civil war only happens if the U.S. attacks after a secession, but the state that single most funds the U.S. military is California, if you include Washington and Oregon in the secession you now end up with 19ish% of the countries budget and a sizable percentage of the military bases. With the American civil war there was somewhat defined lines of north vs south but this would be fights inside their own states.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 hours ago

And the sentiment of half the East Coast (the one that matters) would be sympathetic to the secessionists

[–] [email protected] 20 points 21 hours ago (11 children)

How would a state secede from the US? Like, what’s the actual process?

[–] [email protected] 34 points 17 hours ago (4 children)

The best way would be quiet quitting. Making routes to federal buildings surrounded by construction and road closures at odd times. Overlapping federal job descriptions internally and never communicating with federal equivalents unless required, and that with a “great email, still working on that!” Or “emailed Oregon about that and they had some great ideas, get with them for the data!”

Offering great state guard contracts to all military eligible to re-up, that exceed what the feds offer. Build out coastal protection fleet due to “them darn migrants.” Train your military in FPV as if you were what the US should be doing right now, so the feds know any pushback will be costly, and you’re not breaking any laws anyway, remember?

Tell your state and local police we don’t work with the FBI or IRS in cooperation any more, and let the populace know the feds must individually enforce all tax law. That’s where it’s good for the Feds to remember that’s not required, and the 4th amendment prevents them being forced to act… in fact, that makes them subject to arrest for trying due to the laws of the great state of california.

All legal, and petty. But legal.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 hours ago

California is already home to a large naval fleet and Marines. They should pay them to switch sides.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 hours ago

this guy obstructs

[–] [email protected] 8 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Looks like you've been thinking of this... for a while already.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 hours ago

Only in minecraft.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 12 hours ago

That's ingesting the ''I'll get right back to you'' form of revolution sounds more plausible than anything else I've heard. Just slow walk it to death.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 hours ago

You need to amend the constitution which requires 38 states to agree to it that considering how many right wing states hate California doesn’t sound impossible

[–] [email protected] 3 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

That's what the Civil War was about, there is no legal way to exit were one nation period end of story millions of dead soldiers proved it.

If a state tried to leave they would have to prove they could no matter the laws. It would be war. No ifs ands or buts. That means having a military that could take out the US military. Currently the top Airforce in the world is the US Airforce, the second largest Airforce is the US Navy, then it's Russia, then it's the US Army. Unless you can somehow convince the military to side with you when you leave, it's not going to happen. I would imagine if you tried to claim it legally the best you could hope for is Federal agents walking in the second said state gov claims independence, and idk arresting the heads of state for treason, and telling said state to elect a new gov.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

But what is the US military going to do? go to a state that wants to secede and just kill everyone in it??

[–] [email protected] 33 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (3 children)

The state government would put forwards a local movement to secede from the US, and if it actually passed the federal government would butt in and go "you can't secede, that's completely illegal and unconstitutional" (it is), at which point the state would either go "oh well" and stand down or say "go suck eggs" and continue trying to secede, which the federal government would treat as rebellion or insurrection.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

So, easy then! We know insurrections aren't a big deal and have no real consequences. Full steam ahead!

/s just in case

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

It's not possible - you can check out but you can never leave

[–] [email protected] 3 points 13 hours ago

I wonder if the same thing was said about the USSR as late as 1988?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

There is no process. States cannot just up and say "see ya" on their own, we fought a war over that.

If the people felt that it would be OK for a state to leave, the proper thing to do would be to pass an amendment stating a process, and then the state would do it. There would be a lot of details to hammer out: does the State get to keep Federal property (like military bases)? Does it inherit a share of the deficit? What happens to deferred US taxes on things like 401k accounts?

IMHO it would take so long to hammer that stuff out that it's basically impossible.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

"But it's not legal!"

Have you learned nothing the past three months? Laws are what we make of them.

A state seceding is a simple process:

  1. The state passes an act to allow it.

  2. The sitting president endorses the idea and agrees to let them go peacefully.

That's it. The United States Constitution itself was illegally written, an exercise in simple willful power. State secession works the same way.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Funnily enough, there's actually hostoric precedent for trying. Emphasis on trying.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Well, they could make a deal to buy at a price adjusted for tariffs so it's a lower price then compensate for that with lower prices on CA exports you don't actually need to stop tariffs legally, they can be worked around the trick is trading something back that makes up the difference and costs less than the tariff to give.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (2 children)

As i read this, i am remembered of Newsom meeting Trump, after he refused to help with Californian wildfires.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 hours ago

Why does that look like a photo of a bunch of Nazis?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 23 hours ago (6 children)

Why they all leaning forward except Newsom? lol

[–] [email protected] 18 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (2 children)

Fake news. Some journo hack used photoshop. Here's the original, with Trup standing true and strong despite them all being on a hillside.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 22 hours ago

People misinterpret this image. Newsom isn't point at Trump, he's keeping the stack of people from falling over.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 20 hours ago (5 children)

Anyone speaking of secession - please, read history. We do not want to do that again, I don’t care what you believe in, it is a terrible idea. Please think it through beyond how admittedly awesome it would be in theory alone.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 20 hours ago

It's a terrible idea, but so is invading Greenland, Canada, or Panama. We don't do such things anymore, read history why, but yet, here we are.

This is how a possible secession starts. Trump might prohibit California from doing this because it goes against his masters plan of destroying the US, California doesn't want to become a husk of it's former self and pushes through.

If California were to secede, it would immediately break the rest of the US. All the red states have been so poorly managed for decades that they near fully rely in handouts from successful states like California. With California gone, other blue and successful states would likely follow because they won't be able to pay the bill for those states either, splitting the US into a successful new country and dirt poor third world type theocratic dictatorship nation. Maybe it wouldn't be the worst thing, let the christo fascists live in the hell hole that they want

Secession(s) will likely include a civil war, and right now with the decade of trump shit causing division and chaos, I think that too isn't too far fetched anymore. There is nothing as horrible as neighbor fighting neighbors, ask Yugoslavia, but here we are in Trump's world.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 18 hours ago

Wouldn't MAGA supposedly be thrilled for California to leave?

I'm trying to imagine trumper militia marching into California saying, "we need to keep this liberal shithole and it's 54 blue electoral votes".

Yeah, it would be devastating for the US economy, but if MAGA has told us anything it's that they prefer to tank the economy than embrace any kind of diversity.

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