submitted 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) by to c/chat@hexbear.net
 

I found out my girlfriend has a Jiang Qing fan page and she keeps calling me a capitalist roader. I've been trying to explain the benefits of socialism with Chinese characteristics, but she just laughs at me and yells "REVISIONIST" anytime I bring it up.

What should I do?

Edit: thanks to those of you who took this seriously. Her parents are on vacation so she is heading to their house with a group of her French Maoist friends. We will see how our next conversation goes when she is back.

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[–] 2 points 3 years ago* (2 children)

No one has told you the obvious truth which is you must become even more of an ultra than her. Start saying breathing is bourgeois decadence and a real communist can support themselves by sheer love for the people. Tell her even knowing the word revisionism makes her too poisoned by capitalist spooks to be a REAL ultra.

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    TFW no Maoist gf to engage in line struggles with :sadness:

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (4 children)

    Maoists are cool honestly, I think that in general critiques from the left are principled and should be encouraged if they don't embrace or strengthen reactionary or counterrevolutionary positions.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago*

    Ultras are fine unless they're advocating for liberal shit as a result of being cluelessly ultra.

    For example, it's fine being ultra about China needing to be more socialist and that there are too many forms of exploitation that have come from the Deng measures.

    It's not fine to advocate for regime change (which will inevitably be a liberal colour revolution) because "China is capitalist".

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 3 years ago (4 children)

    This isn't a joke and it's not funny. It's breaking apart our relationship

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    if she understands how disastrous the sino-soviet split was, I'm confident you can reach an understanding and work things out

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 3 years ago* (2 children)

    She just calls me a social imperialist when I bring it up

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago

    Mao contended that Deng Xiaoping was a capitalist roader and that the Soviet Union fell to capitalist roaders from within the Communist Party of the Soviet Union after the death of Joseph Stalin in 1953.

    Well, he wasn’t entirely wrong. But if Khrushchev was a roader, then what does that make Mao? Out of the two, Mao’s china was supporting fascist, genocidal forces across the globe while the USSR was still backing communist forces.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago (4 children)

    This is probably a bit, but it's also close enough to actual exchanges I had with my ex that I can almost believe it. Relationships with terminally online leftists can be weird lmao.

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  • [–] [S] 0 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    Its not a bit, I really want some advice

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (2 children)

    Idk have her read deng, she's either reading too much theory or no theory at all

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago

    Ask her why everyone in China celebrated when the Gang of Four got owned.

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  • [–] 1 point 3 years ago* (1 child)

    It's easy.

    Call her a dogmatist and accuse her of book worship.

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    what does she want done about China? if it's "a people's revolution built to overthrow the PRC" then whatever, it's in neither of your hands. if she can't find a "revolution" she won't support (like if she genuinely thinks the HK protests were anything but bourgeois tantruming) and propagates/defends any threat to China's stability then she's ideologically bankrupt, you can stay with her but like, outside of broad movement building type things you should just write her ideas on revolution and defending it off

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    just read a comment implying she condemns a Lot of parties - why is she like this ? just ask her why is she like this. there's no built up movement in the West. there's no need to keep other far leftists/communists ideologically arguing about things that are so far in the future that no communist line could possibly be predicted to come out on top yet

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (7 children)

    On the bright side you know a nice arm chair will be a solid present for her bday/xmas

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  • [–] [S] 0 points 3 years ago (6 children)

    She already has an Eames arm chair

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (5 children)

    This has to be a bit

    "My gf is an ultra"

    "Yea, she owns a chair with mediocre ergonomics that's worth thousands of dollars"

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  • [–] [S] 0 points 3 years ago (4 children)

    It was a gift from her parents (who are wealthy but that's another story).

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  • [–] 0 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    I'm honestly ok with ultras. But her class background is worrying. Rich people like smelling their own farts. I wouldn't be surprised if she was some version of reactionary in ten years. I'm sorry, but if her parents are legitimately wealthy, she needs to practise humility.

    How wealthy are the parents?

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  • [–] [S] 0 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    They own a cabinet making business

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  • [–] 2 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    If the parents are legit bourgeoisie, then for real she needs to practise some humility. I've met enough loudmouth leftists with rich parents that eventually fall into a middle class career before they turn 30, remembering the blunder years of them being leftist.

    At the very least, they should be focusing much of their energy on praxis and not struggle sessions. Like someone mentioned here that Greta Thurnberg at least uses her privilege for change.

    As a child of working class parents, self centred rich "leftists" piss me off. I've had enough of them constantly try to shame me over bullshit, only for them to deflect the gentlest critique of them being obvious assholes over and over. And because of the benefits of their class (education, good speaking, beauty, leisure), people not paying good attention will default to the rich person's side.

    One's position relative to the means of production matters a lot. A LOT, comrade.

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