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I feel that “outgroup dumb” is shitposting but it’s from a real poll.

https://today.yougov.com/politics/articles/5057-understanding-how-marginal-taxes-work-its-all-part

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[–] [email protected] 171 points 2 days ago (4 children)

If you ever wanted proof that a population that doesn't understand math allows the billionaires to take advantage of them here it is. This is why education systems are under attack, because if you understood how taxes work you'd more likely support higher tax rates for the rich.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I think this is at least partially the result of intentional propaganda. It benefits the elite greatly if a lot of Americans are screaming against higher top tax rates due to this faulty logic. There are also a lot of anecdotes of people not accepting higher paying job offers or promotions within their company, which also benefits the business owners.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (12 children)

For someone outside the American tax system, can anyone put the difference in approximate numbers?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago

In exact numbers, 5 cents.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

That one dollar in the 33% bracket has .33 in taxes instead of .28. So their obligation goes up .05 per every dollar in the 33% tax bracket.

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[–] [email protected] 69 points 2 days ago (12 children)

I used to be a supervisor at a psych hospital and had to regularly explain this to staff who were refusing overtime. They wanted to do it, sometimes desperately so because they needed the money, but they were utterly convinced that once they crossed 40 or 45k or whatever they would be taxed higher and make it all pointless. I felt like some just didn’t want to do ot, which was fine, but some legit keep meticulous records of their earnings to ensure they wouldn’t go over the line. I swore to them it didn’t work this way but they never believed me

[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

Should print out a poster infographic explaining progressive taxation and put it up on the wall in the break room

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 day ago

Yeah I am pretty sure they wouldn't understand this either

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

This infographic is kinda bad and would not convince someone who doesn't know how it works at all

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Seen the same bullshit when I worked retail. Nothing will convince them.

It's easier to trick someone than it is to convince them they're wrong.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago (3 children)

I wonder how different the planet would be if boomers had just been taught, from an early age, that it's OK to be wrong.

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 day ago (11 children)

try telling this to people who think government agencies pay taxes

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[–] [email protected] 152 points 2 days ago (7 children)

To be clear for those unaware, you pay the lower bracket rates for the amounts earned in that bracket and the higher bracket rates for the amounts earned above that bracket.

https://www.irs.gov/filing/federal-income-tax-rates-and-brackets

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Tell me you don’t know how income taxes work without telling me you don’t know how income taxes work.

My question is who does their taxes then?

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 day ago

And they'll also refuse to believe you when you try to explain it to them

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Thanks, Lemmy, now I’m “that Dad”. After reading this, I went to dinner with my two teens and one of their girlfriends, so of course I had to bring this up. All three have started working after school and will need to file their taxes this year so they need to know.

But holy crap is that a seriously uncool conversation

[–] [email protected] 73 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I'm more concerned about the third of dems who don't understand this.

[–] [email protected] 64 points 2 days ago (5 children)

it's in the shitpost community and there's no sources cited

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

lol i wonder how much that is just guessing. they just coin flipped it

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