Stolen from @vmstan

More analysis from @wiredfire:

It’s nothing to do with [difficulties in using multiple platforms]. It’s to do with the massive backlash they got on Fedi for their CEO being all Trumpy and somewhat horrible right wing. So they’ve run away because they were made to feel unwelcome on account of us not letting their BS fly.

Original screenshot is of the bio of https://mastodon.social/@protonprivacy and wasn’t a post (that confused me for a sec).

Michael Stanclift @vmstan@vmst.io Apparently we aren't Fash enough for @protonprivacy • 5h Don't let the door hit you on the way out. Proton @protonprivacy@mastodon.... Follow We're consolidating our social media presence due to limited resources and no longer posting on Mastodon. Follow us on Reddit for the latest updates: reddit.com/r/ProtonMail Official Proton account, creator of Proton Mail, Proton Drive, Proton Pass, Proton VPN, Proton Wallet. 1,352 Posts 11 Following 45.7K Followers

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[–] 82 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (11 children)

It’s to do with the massive backlash they got on Fedi

That makes no sense, considering the message in question was posted on Xitter, and the backlash they received was far worse and more public on Reddit, where they are directing their followers to go. It won't stop anyone from talking about them here.

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    [–] 71 points 2 years ago (12 children)

    You'd think Fedi would be a good place to be active on from a privacy-conscious user-base perspective, but I think this is the second time they leave Fedi? Either way, I guess being on Reddit allows them to moderate all the naysayers away.

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  • [–] 37 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    There are a lot of advantages to the fediverse, but privacy really isn’t one of them.

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  • [–] 28 points 2 years ago

    True, but privacy conscious people tend to also be wary of concentrations of power in a platform, such as Reddit or Twitter. If you are aware of the issues with a closed system you tend to also be aware of privacy issues, security issues, state censorship, and so on, so the user base is more aware in the fediverse and if they are leaving for Reddit that really does say something. I won't be using their service, I feel very lucky to have found out about this before shifting as I was in the process of finding a stable email host and blending with the VPN seemed financially reasonable, guess I will stay with Mullvad and get a separate email provider.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I made this basic comment about the CEO saying something pro-Trump and my comment got removed by a mod of /r/degoogle on the grounds that it wasn't factual.

    Pretty infuriating.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago

    /r/degoogle is total bullshit. That sub routinely and consistently shits on any non-google suggestion, for all sorts of bogus reasons. It's like the sub exists to trick people into thinking google is impossible to avoid, rather than just supporting steps away from google.

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    [–] 55 points 2 years ago (10 children)

    You know I was like this close to getting proton VPN before this whole thing started. I've been researching for like 6 months to decide which one I was going to switch to. They were on the short list. Bullet dodged.

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    [–] 47 points 2 years ago (17 children)

    I suggest Mullvad as an alternative to Protons VPN services.

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    [–] 23 points 2 years ago

    At least we know where their loyalties actually lie, now.

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  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

    Yeah, their Linux dev team consists of two people, who, I believe only handle Linux things as part of their responsibilities and there is no dedicated team. I’m not salty that people have been asking for a Linux drive client for 4 years and the only response came this year saying ‘there’s only two people we’re focused on mail and vpn clients at the moment’.

    Not trying to take away from Yen saying dumb shit with the company account or any of the mounting criticisms they’ve earned of late. Just a point toward their explanation not actually being too far out of the realm of possibility. And the likelihood of their PR/Social Media team being similarly small to the point of being understaffed.

    Like yeah, is this needlessly antagonistic and blunt? Sure, but that feels more down to bad copy than the actual intent and direction of a companies PR dept, right?

    “Due to a need for consolidation in the face of limited resources we will no longer be able to maintain the scope of our current social media presence. This account will remain active and be updated automatically but for the foreseeable future it will be unmonitored. Please join us on Reddit or contact support if you have any questions! Thanks Mastodon, toot on!”

    Explains more clearly the logistical need to limit focus without disregarding the importance of the community. Someone hire me, I need a job. Leaves the account open to be reactivated some day and there’s no reason they couldn’t automate posting there.

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    [–] 19 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    I'm not on the exit proton bandwagon. All CEOs are awful and I don't have the energy to do the vote-with-your-dollars ethical consumption dance every time we're freshly reminded of that fact. Especially not with the only service out there that packages data integrity, privacy, and ease of use in a complete suite at the level that proton does.

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  • [–] 27 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    I've said this before and I'll say this a million times again, capitalism is simply not viable. The main mechanism to punish bad business practice (using a different business) also hurts the significantly weaker consumer; meaning it will almost never be used properly.

    I point this out here because I agree with your stance and cannot stand the "vote with your wallet" nonsense people pretends works.

    This makes it really difficult to navigate the privacy space because eventually a cornerstone like Proton is "corrupted" and we have no way to correct it. We seriously need people thinking about solutions to this problem, or we'll be going nowhere fast.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago* (4 children)

    If you might allow me to disagree with you slightly...

    The key to this, as in many things, is balance; in ALL things. Voting with your wallet does work, its a form of influencing and controlling the direction of the capital. It just doesn't work in a long term sense because people stop there; like boycotting. It is hard to boycott a company that has a monopoly on a market that has become a necessity, even if it's only a necessity to a niche community.

    The key is, that you spend on smaller businesses, that are closer to the consumer than at large conglomerates. If there is none for the market, create one and encourage people to support your business that doesn't have any political ties yet. For example, I live in a capitol city, and my neighbor a few houses down has started a small chicken coop in their back yard; i began buying my eggs from them as its much cheaper and I don't have to worry about my funds being reallocated in support of something that would harm me or my community as they are a part of my community. Also, I deliver pizza as a third job for a small, mom and pops place and encourage those political minded people to spend money there as the pizza is made with fresh ingredients and made there. Takes a bit longer but we are too small to allocate funds to political matters and organizations; we do small events for the schools in the community but that is about it.

    Once said businesses start to grow too big, rinse and repeat. Find another small business and support them. As support dwindles from a company that is growing too large, their options become more and more limited.

    This seems not to work due to peoples mindset and preferring convenience over meaningful spending; which is something that I know not how to combat. What say you, friends?

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  • [–] 19 points 2 years ago

    I get tired of being so right all of the time

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    [–] 15 points 2 years ago

    I was tempted to cancel after the CEO comments on politics, Reddit is a bit much though.

    Reddit privacy policy is dog shit, having a company advertise privacy and use Reddit is comical

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    Is it time to change VPN platforms?

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    [–] 7 points 2 years ago

    The ONLY reason I have Proton email, is because my bank thinks it's the only secure email in the world...

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago

    This is good news. It means we aren't monitizeable enough.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Are those people who have been quoted supposed to be significant to the privacy community?

    I've looked through the links provided and read a couple articles (one is titled "Does Proton really support Trump? A deeper analysis and surprising findings" and it is all very he said/she said with almost nothing to back anything or anyone up...

    I'll gladly read more if anyone has info?

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