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[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago) (1 children)

Literally the same words said in December 2021 could possibly prevent:

  • invasion of Ukraine;
  • death of dozens or hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians and turning of millions of Ukrainians to refugees;
  • destruction of dozens of Ukrainian cities;
  • loss of Ukrainian territory to Russia;
  • loss of Ukrainian rare minerals to US.

The Trump administration is just saying loud what all the other NATO governors have been hiding. No one ever planned to fight Russia for Ukraine and the only destiny for Ukrainian aboriginals is to be used as proxy cannon fodder to fight one of NATO's bogeymen.

NATO countries never cared about Ukraine's casualities to the point that they decided that Ukrainian lives were worth less than a signed piece of paper with the aforementioned statement: 'No NATO for Ukraine'. Everything that happens to the people of Ukraine is just collateral damage on the way to the main goal – to harm Russia. The colonizer mentality (so well known to many NATO countries) never changes.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 hours ago

I love how you get downvoted for stating the obvious.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Security guarantees? Europe's picking up the tab while Washington cashes out. Hegseth's "pragmatic evaluation" means funneling Europe's GDP into Lockheed Martin's quarterly reports. NATO's 5% defense spending target? A $2.3 trillion shakedown disguised as collective security. The Continent's industrial base is now a Pentagon subcontractor.

Crimea's gone. Zelensky's bargaining chips? A lithium deposit map and a graveyard of Leopard tanks. The "non-NATO peacekeeping mission" is just a rebrand for EU cannon fodder patrols. Von der Leyen's already drafting memos about "volunteer brigades" staffed by unemployed Iberian welders.

The real "negotiated settlement": Trump's Mar-a-Lago membership roster now includes Rosneft executives. Europe gets to foot the bill for demining Donbas while Chevron drills the Black Sea.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 hours ago

The fact that Europeans bet their whole future on a politically unstable country that can completely change its entire policy every four years will never stop being hilarious.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I mean, Russia is winning. What are people here expecting?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 hours ago

Liberals still seem to think the war can be ended if the US asks Russia politely to retreat and gain nothing.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

Putin's investments are now paying dividends.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 hours ago

Everyone making decisions in either country for decades has been gunning for a war in Europe or actively profiting off of this one. The war will continue as long as it can by throwing money at it unless there's simply more to be made buying up the aftermath and installing collaborators to impose World Bank/IMF austerity for generations, or the bottom is rising up.

[–] [email protected] 50 points 15 hours ago (27 children)

That's what Daddy Putin wants, so that's what Daddy Putin gets.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 hours ago

This is what America wanted. Biden made no effort to provide Ukraine with the weapons to win.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 hours ago

I mean fuck hegseth he's a fucking Nazi but NATO is also full of Nazis too so fuck it let them fight

[–] [email protected] 22 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Wouldn't this have had value as a bargaining chip in peace talks? The fact that they're saying this now suggests that they're about to pressure Ukraine into a truly shitty deal.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 13 hours ago

My guess is that this was Putin's requirement to even discuss terms. Besides, Trump already secured rights to their REM, what more could we even get from Ukraine joining NATO?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

We get:

  • Nothing

You get:

  • Less than nothing

What a fucking great deal!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 5 hours ago

What a fucking great deal!

Somehow it's always like that when some country get to serve as US proxy.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 15 hours ago

Deadbeat dad doesn’t even begin to describe the abandonment.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 15 hours ago

Hope this guy gets hit by a dump truck

[–] [email protected] 11 points 14 hours ago (3 children)

Russia will eye Europe, and USA will keep eyeing Canada and Greenland.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago

Russia does not have the ability to invade Europe and everyone knows it except liberals in America

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 14 hours ago

I'm surprised a Nazi like Hegseth wants to help Russia so bad.

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