Meta community. Discuss about this lemmy instance or lemmy in general.
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/37235684
Obviously reporting transphobic comments to a transphobic mod isn't going to result in any action, so I'm wondering if the admins are going to do anything about it?
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OK that's the last straw for me. I am willing to give the benefit of a doubt to people, but this is the third strike for this person. So I've asked them to move their comm to another instance as they don't align with our instance values.
Yet another very common db0 W
Yet another very common transphobia L
Well done
Fantastic to hear, thank you!
Another victory for the peoples court, hear hear
Based db0 as always.
Well done. I appreciate the fuck out of this place.
Gendered sports is cringe, just sort into different "Leagues" based on different strength. Some cis boys can be born with a disadvantage, some cis girls can be born with a natural advantage, I don't see them complaining about the cis girls who have a natural advantage.
Also:
Gendered bathrooms are also dumb. What are people even doing in the bathroom lol, just use and gtfo.
I do agree with you in theory, but the problem with this is that there are enough tiers of male athletes to fill multiple leagues before any significant number of women would be included, and people tend to only be interested in the top level of competition. The effective result of eliminating gender segregation would be the total absence of women in competitive sports.
Some cis boys can be born with a disadvantage, some cis girls can be born with a natural advantage
Legit, even into adulthood. I'm the one smashing up concrete and paving while hubs hides under trees weeding
I don’t know enough about sports, or the skeletomuscular and endocrine differences between someone AMAB and someone AFAB, to comment on the topic.
I’d much prefer to defend our trans community, but there’s way too much misinformation for me to get the valid and credible information needed to do so. Can someone please share some links so people like me can be educated enough to speak out in support?
Read *Who's Afraid of Gender? *
The jest of it is that sometimes cis women have more testosterone than cis men. Even in top athletes.
And trans women on hrt have less than either.
I started transitioning over the summer, I've lost 15 lb of muscle mass.
Three decades of testosterone dominance made me tall and lanky. But no taller or more lanky than cis women I know. About the only major difference, as far as sports are concerned, would be my wider shoulders. And still needing to wear a cup I guess.
(Psst I think the word you meant was ‘gist’)
Oh thanks :)
Always fun to discover I've been misspelling a word for decades lol
Perfect. I’ll definitely check that out. Thank you!
If anyone else is as strapped as I am, I just confirmed they have the E-book for loan on my local library website. Borrowing from the library may help authors less than purchase, but it’s still better than piracy.
Seconded
I'd like to know more about he topic.
I replied to the above comment. Just letting you know if you want to take a look at what I had to say.
Thanks! I'll give it a read
They are arguing that they have said nothing wrong because men are not allowed in women's spots... ugh
Yeah, that person is a transphobe and a sealion, and there is absolutely no point in providing them any leeway or platform to spew their bigotry from.
Yeah, people are so weird.
This same dipshit aggressively scoffed at calling people Nazis for transphobic abuse on SDF.
https://sh.itjust.works/post/32203609/16487627
https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/37009822/16458134
'They're just like the Nazis in 1931, not 1935! How dare you compare them.'
Transphobes can get wrecked.
I'm not a fan of the tone they are using to discuss this. There is a difference from transitioning before puberty vs after. There are specific biological differences that a mtf woman will have that hormones won't change. There is an issue that needs to be resolved with sports. I don't know what the solution is, but shutting down conversation doesn't seem like it. Shutting down transphobia, yes absolutely. I hope I'm not coming off poorly.
Im leaving his comment up in order to respond but I don't want to rehash that discussion here.
The reason this decision was taken was not just this one discussion. It was because that person has too many red flags for my liking on the stuff they would defend, always juuuuust skirting the line of what is acceptable discourse here.
There are specific biological differences that a mtf woman will have that hormones won’t change.
This is transphobia since it is factually incorrect and stems from wilful ignorance, and I'm shutting it, and your tone policing, down. There, how's that?
What makes you think it's willful ignorance over garden-variety ignorance? Being incorrect and thinking you are correct is different from purposefully keeping yourself ignorant.
I have no horse in this race, and willfully being ignorant and spreading disinformation about trans topics willfully is indeed transphobic and warrants aggressive shutdowns, like the comment I'm replying to. But unless I'm missing something I don't see the evidence of bad intent here? It just seemed like a bit of a leap.
I honestly don't know how to simplify it further: impact > intent. Always. This understanding is a fundamental corner stone to all anti-oppression work.
E: Either way, I'm done engaging in this derailment and centring of privileged feelings. The people who prioritise their own comfort and feelings over the harm they cause others, and who would rather invest all of their energy in to finding loopholes to allow them to continue avoiding holding themselves accountable for their actions, instead of just, I donno, listening to marginalised people who are telling them that they are causing harm, are, well, never going to listen. And I simply have better things to do with my time and emotional labour.
I have to admit that this was the discussion that made me realize we can easily believe a problem exists just because it theoretically might exist. The discussion started without any data backing the claims. People said there was an advantage and that it was unfair, but they were just words that connected to internal belief systems that were either faulty or bigoted.
It's similar to the discussion of sportswear. The solution is offering athletes choice and autonomy, but it's easy to end up in discussions criticizing the clothes without consulting the people that are affected and the reality of their situation.