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[–] 329 points 2 years ago* (14 children)

Isn't it weird how much harder it is for them to tip the scales on Lemmy and Mastodon, platforms without algorithms designed by right-wing billionaires?

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  • [–] 92 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    Kinda makes ya think… Maybe letting someone else filter the content you see is an inherently biased concept.

    I’d rather apply my own biases to my feed, tyvm.

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  • [–] 21 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    Bias is always present in this type of thing, the critical difference is honesty, openness, freedom to dissent (in theory and in practicality) and integrity of which big tech companies do not even possess a homeopathic amount.

    Same story with trust for that matter...

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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    There's also the fact that the 'left-wing' has constant infighting... about how to help people, whereas the 'right-wing' are (mostly) single issue voters who don't care what the other conservatives do so long as they get their thing. So a left-wing 'echo chamber' is kind of amusing when you try to imagine a Social Democrat and an Anarchist tacitly agreeing to almost anything.

    Is there bias? Sure. What exactly that constitutes seems, to me at least, to be 'I don't think people should be in camps/have their rights removed/lose bodily autonomy, or that governments should spend more subsidizing oil and gas than all other areas.'

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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)

    I agree with the spirit of the point, but I also think it is critically important to SCREAM into the air right now that actually yes we do agree on a whole lot more on the leftwing than rightwing people do amongst their lame circles of hate.

    It is our vibrant arguments, passionate disagreements and loud messy divisions and categories that keep leftism from becoming an echo chamber, as you nod towards in putting it in parentheses as 'echo chamber'. Yes this is true and necessary to point out, but also the leftwing simultaneously and not in the least bit paradoxically agrees on way more than conservatives do. Don't mistake blind compliance with whatever dominant narrative is being broadcast at the moment (hating trans people, being afraid of an """"""""immigrant crisis""""""""", not believing in evolution?? (did that go out of style yet? (sorry I wrote this aside like lisp code))) for a group of people being in true agreement and solidarity.

    Interview a bunch of conservatives individually and ask them basic questions about how their espoused values connect with real world policies, actions and circumstances and if you ask about ANYTHING that isn't the hot topic right now to hate on in conservative circles you will get a random mix of complete and utter amateur speculation and shockingly silly re-imaginings of things that already exist because of problems that have already been solved (i.e. naive libertarians).

    Interview a bunch of leftist individually and do the same thing and you will get basically the same damn answers every time on the important stuff.

    Is healthcare a human right?

    Yes

    Does everybody deserve to earn a living wage?

    Yes

    Are all people created equal and worthy of empathy?

    Yes

    Does everybody deserve housing and the ability to live in a decent living situation?

    Yes

    Is climate change real and are humans driving it?

    Yes

    Do you believe in the seperation of church and state?

    Yes..?

    Do you condone any form of racism?

    Emphatically no, never. I am an anti-racist which means also resisting structural racism not just overt racism

    Are you a feminist?

    Fuck off, why are you condescending me, of course I am

    Is disability a weakness?

    No, blind worship of strength is

    Do you support LGTBQ+ people?

    entirely

    OF COURSE there are exceptions, but by and large do this to leftists and you will get a consistent expression of leftist ideology throughout their beliefs that agrees at a basic level (especially among younger folks) with almost every other leftist you interview, with massive exceptions in the details of course....

    There are annoying and bad and toxic people on the left, yes, but let us remember we are much more effective at ensuring we are interacting on a basis of shared values, and we are much louder and much more annoying when people violate those basic values.

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  • [–] 44 points 2 years ago* (3 children)

    To be fair, it took a huge Reddit exodus for Lemmy to stop being full-blown work camp supporting communist. I'm sure if enough to right wing trolls showed up, this place would change again too

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  • [–] 120 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Hey it isn't nice to beat up people who only want to seriously hurt and maim you, your family and your friends.

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  • [–] 38 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Right? What happened to tolerance?

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  • [–] 34 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    What happened to tolerance is quite clear, to the point that it has a name, it is called the paradox of tolerance.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance#%3A%7E%3Atext=The+paradox+of+tolerance+is%2Cthe+very+principle+of+tolerance

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  • [–] 97 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    We should keep them all trapped on twitter forever.

    It's a good containment zone for the trash.

    If you see someone supporting Trump tell them to go back to twitter and block them

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    [–] 69 points 2 years ago (19 children)

    Well, bluesky isn't the fediverse, but the point stands.

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  • [–] [S] 44 points 2 years ago (14 children)

    I'm ignorant af tbh 😅 Thanks for the clarification

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    [–] 68 points 2 years ago (13 children)

    It’s not that these groups are full of true liberals, it’s that much of the population isn’t tolerant of lies and misinformation. So it seems that “conservatives” are being targeted.

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  • [–] 37 points 2 years ago* (6 children)

    I've seen people be objectively correct but assholes with their delivery and get fucking blasted on here. Regardless of politics I'd youre a prick you get vibe checked.

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    <nobodyAsked>

    I'm still unreasonably salty about getting bodied into negatives after pointing out that the fusion research coming out of the National Ignition Facility is just nuclear weapons research. That's what Laser Inertial Confinement is, it's a very contained implosion bomb. Their role in the nuclear stewardship program is the first thing in their damn "about me" page. Gah. I wasn't even (all that) rude about it, its just really hard for some people on here to accept that their understanding is flawed (myself very much included)

    </nobodyAsked>

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    [–] 59 points 2 years ago (11 children)

    They are slowly leaking into lemmy.world, my friends living in .world please try your best to hold your position there. Don't let them break through

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    [–] 59 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    So much harder to manufacture consent without centralized gatekeepers

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    [–] 54 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Just had to block someone that said wanting a democracy and not supporting a dictatorship was "Chasing perfection at the cost of the good".

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    [–] 47 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    God, imagine that... we switch to federated and the Nazis can no longer hide behind "Just asking questions" and getting the site admins to bully people.

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    I like this.

    I think it should be Mastodon & Lemmy though.

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    [–] 27 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I haven't seen too many conservatives on Lemmy, but Bluesky is a fine example of how if you deplatform and cut off the oxygen of fascists and leave them talking to themselves, they really do fade into the background.

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    [–] 27 points 2 years ago

    Whenever beating up fascists and their sympathizers is a question the answer is always yes >:3

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  • [–] 22 points 2 years ago (22 children)

    The only issue I have with this is that this fules the generalisation of politics even more. There is a lot more of a nuance in politics than just left/right or conservatives/liberals etc. You see this more in countries with more politics parties. It’s not an either or but a spectrum.

    But this meme really suits the current climate of Shitter and the US politic system

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    [–] 19 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    They really are fragile folk, they need to diminish others in order to feel important and special.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago

    Sorry conservative snowflakes, there's no central authority to cry to when get bullied for being a scumbag.

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