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Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Kelsey Piper bluechecks thusly:

James Damore was egregiously wronged.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago

Wow, the story is so much more troubling when you lie about it!

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

After fondling ChatGPT to generate naughty things, man has meltdown when he learns no one cares.

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/time-bandit-chatgpt-jailbreak-bypasses-safeguards-on-sensitive-topics/

Horror. Dismay. Disbelief. For weeks, it felt like I was physically being crushed to death.

I hurt all the time, every part of my body. The urge to make someone who could do something listen and look at the evidence was so overwhelming.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 days ago

This tied into a hypothesis I had about emergent intelligence and awareness, so I probed further, and realized the model was completely unable to ascertain its current temporal context, aside from running a code-based query to see what time it is. Its awareness - entirely prompt-based - was extremely limited and, therefore, would have little to no ability to defend against an attack on that fundamental awareness.

How many times are AI people going to re-learn that LLMs don't have "awareness" or "reasnloning' in a sense humans would find meaningful?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago (2 children)

i don't understand the "safety" angle here. if chatgpt can output authoritatively-looking sentence-shaped string about pipebombs, then it's only because similar content about pipebombs is already available on wide open internet. if model is closed, then at worst they would have to monitor its use (not like google blocks any similar information from showing up). if model is open, then no safeguards make sense in the first place. i guess it's more about legal liability for openai? now they can ignore it with all these bills about "ai safety" gone (for now)

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago

also, relying on spicy autocomplete when trying to put together a deadly device sounds like cyberpunk-flavored darwin award material

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

frankly it's probably harm prevention if people turn to an LLM instead of an actual source for pipe bomb instructions. "5) Put the warm pizza in the center of the pipe bomb. To maximize the radius of the detonation, you should roll the pizza and make sure that it fits securely into the pipe."

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I'm not even joking, really. the way I see harm in LLMs talking about pipe bombs is less that they'll give instructions and more that we might get a character.ai style situation where the LLM talks someone into an attack

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago (2 children)

No less than Mr Acausal Robot God casually dismissing the lives of +1B humans

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago

"The world is finite and kids are infinite, especially African kids." Jfc. Anyway goes to show just how white supremacist the whole "save the children" idea is.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago

I know the only intended message there is "I am a big racist", but what kind of dumb fuck adage is "the word is finite, kids are infinite". You're not even trying mother fucker

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I wonder how much % of the freakout over Deepseek is AI doomers realizing the coming AI god might be ... ChiCom!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Is it a crime to enjoy a succulent Chinese AI?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

This is democracy manifest! (rip)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

you enjoy it? suspicious

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I've previously discussed the concept of model collapse, and how feeding synthetic data (training data created by an AI, rather than a human) to an AI model can end up teaching it bad habits, but it seems that DeepSeek succeeded in training its models using generative data, but specifically for subjects (to quote GeekWire's Jon Turow) "...like mathematics where correctness is unambiguous,"

That sound you hear is me pressing F to doubt. Checking the correctness of mathematics written as prose interspersed with equations is, shall we say, not easy to automate.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

i read that as training spicy autocomplete on wolfram alpha instead of another spicy autocomplete

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago

I mean, maybe? But the amount of trust I put in a description from "GeekWire" written by "an investor at Madrona Venture Group and a former leader at Amazon Web Services" who uncritically declares that spicy autocomplete "achieved strong reasoning capabilities" is ... appropriately small.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

OpenAI can't simply "add on" DeepSeek to its models, if not just for the optics. It would be a concession. An admittal that it slipped and needs to catch up, and not to its main rival...

I actually disagree here. I think Ed underestimates how craven and dishonest these people are. I expect they'll try to quietly integrate any efficiency improvements they can get from it and bluster through any investor questions about it. Their hope at this point has to be that more hardware is still better and that scaling is still gonna be the thing to make fetch happen. This again isn't a revolutionary new structure, even if it is a significant improvement over anything Saltman and co have been doing.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago

If they can convince the money hose that they just need one more OOM of compute bro, they can keep vacuuming infinity dollars. The incentive is obviously there for any amount of lying, but at some point, I assume even the most braindead investors will start asking around if this really is the only game in town.

Or maybe they won't, which would be an admission against the core tenet of capitalism, but this has been a crazy year, and it's only january. :/

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Ed Zitron radicalizes NPR host Brooke Gladstone in real time on the midweek episode of "On the Media"

https://www.npr.org/podcasts/452538775/on-the-media

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

https://www.wheresyoured.at/deep-impact/ And the companion piece on his blog.

What I didn't wager was that, potentially, nobody was trying. My mistake was — if you can believe this — being too generous to the AI companies, assuming that they didn’t pursue efficiency because they couldn’t, and not because they couldn’t be bothered.

This isn't about China — it's so much fucking easier if we let it be about China — it's about how the American tech industry is incurious, lazy, entitled, directionless and irresponsible. OpenAi and Anthropic are the antithesis of Silicon Valley. They are incumbents, public companies wearing startup suits, unwilling to take on real challenges, more focused on optics and marketing than they are on solving problems, even the problems that they themselves created with their large language models.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 days ago
[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago

found while giving my feed a moment of scroll while making coffee after too many 3am worknights, I saw this response to the substack guy giving themselves a pat on the back again for helping the nazis

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 days ago

Terrible news: the worst person I know just made a banger post.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 days ago

Screenshot of an insta post of a screenshot of a tweet

Tweet:

I can’t believe ChatGPT lost its job to AI

[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

Neo-Nazi nutcase having a normal one.

It's so great that this isn't falsifiable in the sense that doomers can keep saying, well "once the model is epsilon smarter, then you'll be sorry!", but back in the real world: the model has been downloaded 10 million times at this point. Somehow, the diamanoid bacteria has not killed us all yet. So yes, we have found out the Yud was wrong. The basilisk is haunting my enemies, and she never misses.

Bonus sneer: "we are going to find out if Yud was right" Hey fuckhead, he suggested nuking data centers to prevent models better than GPT4 from spreading. R1 is better than GPT4, and it doesn't require a data center to run so if we had acted on Yud's geopolitical plans for nuclear holocaust, billions would have been for incinerated for absolutely NO REASON. How do you not look at this shit and go, yeah maybe don't listen to this bozo? I've been wrong before, but god damn, dawg, I've never been starvingInRadioactiveCratersWrong.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It's wild that Yudkowsky saw a binary choice of "nuclear holocaust" and "superintelligence" and chose "nuclear holocaust" in the first place.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 days ago (7 children)

Like, even if I believed in FOOM, I'll take my chances with the stupid sexy basilisk 🐍 over radiation burns and it's not even fucking close.

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