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[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 days ago

I am a huge Warhammer 40k fan and I once met someone who was also a 40k fan. Dude said he played Imperium cause he was (and he said this with zero irony) a "human supremacist." Genuinely though the Imperium were good guys. I feel like it's needless to say, but I stopped talking to him.

[–] [email protected] 356 points 1 week ago (5 children)

If you ask someone if they are Nazis, and their answer is to get confused and ask about the premise of the question, there is about a 90% chance they are Nazis. Non-Nazis will say, "What? No, definitely not."

[–] [email protected] 141 points 1 week ago

I would also accept "did you just call me a fucking nazi?"

[–] [email protected] 95 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

If you ask someone who isn't a Nazi if they're a Nazi out of nowhere then confusion seems pretty valid. If there's a premise to it that they understand (by being Nazis or acting like ones) you'd get less genuine confusion.

E: I wasn't talking about the specific case in OP but in general

[–] [email protected] 54 points 1 week ago (34 children)

If the context is 40k, definitely not an unexpected question.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 week ago (11 children)

Yeah but even if there's some initial confusion, most normal people will get to a clear negative answer pretty quickly.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (8 children)

Meh depends on the setting. My partner and I are organizing smaller concerts from time to time. If we are about to book an unknown band sooner or later we have to ask the Nazi question.

The setting here feels similar.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 week ago

This is the answer right here.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Tbf, if someone asked to join my discord server and asked if we're Nazis I would also ask for further clarification. Not because there's a chance we might be Nazis but because it's an odd question.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Non-Nazis will say, "What?

This is also 'getting confused', to be fair, lol.

I get the impression that even those agreeing with the Nazi-like stuff are not literally self-identifying as "Nazi", so I think you'll get that initial "huh" reaction regardless.

Might be better to ask a more specific telltale question.

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[–] [email protected] 188 points 1 week ago (9 children)

Always amazing when people don't get satire.

My Dad actually thought Starship Troopers was pro-military.

[–] [email protected] 88 points 1 week ago (14 children)

How?

That movie has the subtlety of a brick to the head

[–] [email protected] 123 points 1 week ago (2 children)

So did The Boys and Helldiver's 2, and yet a substantial population of conservatives took it literally. Now The Boys has to be so blatant, it's not as funny anymore.

Some people are just idiots, just the way it is.

[–] [email protected] 68 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Lmao about the boys. I started watching that and definitely in the first season it wasn’t even subtle, by the 4th season, which apparently is when conservatives got mad (?), it was beating you into submission with the messaging. Like, subtlety was not even in the lexicon, more like bulldozing you.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 week ago

I stopped watching after season 2 because I couldn't stand the lack of subtlety - despite loving the original comic which is... not subtle at all.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Maybe if they paid more attention in English (and history) class, they wouldn't miss subtext the size of a tractor trailer running into them. But conservatives and STEM bros almost always seem to be on the same page with that shit "No one needs English classes, it's always just like 'hur the curtains are blue' bro."

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Science here - a lot of my fellow scientists like the humanities and definitely are not missing the point. At least in the pure sciences, we tend to encourage all education, regardless of field.

Just be aware that STEM encompasses way more people than you're specifically referring to

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 week ago

Well, the book is... The movie tho, yeah Paul Verhoeven has opinions about fascists. 😂

His commentary on that film is truly one of the better commentary tracks I've ever listened to.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The book is pro military, the movie is a very intentional satire.

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[–] [email protected] 104 points 1 week ago (6 children)

I was briefly into 40k in the 00s, but once the 2010s started I slowly started getting an ick feeling from it but I couldn't quite put my finger on it.

specifically, I was still cool with most of the lore, but the Imperium fanboys were getting to be unfun to be around. As I got older and wised up, I figured out around the same time many others did, that these same people just had a fascism fetish in general.

so with all that said.

Death to the false emperor Let the galaxy burn BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 week ago (2 children)

As someone who likes the Space Marines, but hates Nazis and understands that Warhammer 40k is satire, I'm greatly saddened by the Fascism fan boys in the community.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago (7 children)

I also played around the same time as you, but by total chance almost our entire group played xenos. I was craftworlds and harlequins, there was a necron player, a tau player, a tyranids player, and an orks player. We had one space marine player, I had a very small grey knights army, the necron guy had a small guard army, and a couple of chaos players. It was quite jarring to see how much GW and the hobby at large focussed on the Imperium

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[–] [email protected] 91 points 1 week ago (7 children)

So, uh, where's the diagram?

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 week ago

but obviously a diagram doesn't help the willingly blind ;-)

but curious to see the slides too.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago

If you know what the Imperium is about, it isn't surprising for neo-nazis to play out their fantasies that way.

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[–] [email protected] 67 points 1 week ago (5 children)

They only people I know who play 40k are obsessed with Orks. Dunno what kind of person that makes them, but at least they aren't nazis.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 week ago (3 children)

It might be the same phenomenon as bimbofication / puppygirl stuff, where one longs to be released from the responsibility of thinking

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 week ago (1 children)

where one longs to be released from the responsibility of thinking

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 week ago

Also known as "Waaaaaaagh"

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago

The lore around 40k Orks is hilarious

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The good groups are the ones who are very interested in fantasy Nazis ironically.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 week ago (2 children)

If I play the theo-fascists then my total incompetence at strategy makes them look bad

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 week ago (2 children)

If strapping tank treads to a church isn't peak military competence, I don't know what is.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 week ago (2 children)

It's quite simple really.

If they play the Death Korps of Krieg, who look like this they're probably really nice people.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 week ago

> join good group

> look inside

> neo-nazis

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 week ago (1 children)
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