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Summary

House Speaker Mike Johnson stated that federal aid for California's devastating Los Angeles wildfires, which have killed at least 24 and displaced nearly 200,000 people, should come with conditions, citing alleged failures by state and local leaders.

Johnson also hinted at tying aid to debt ceiling negotiations.

Other Republican leaders, including Senators John Barrasso and Ron Johnson, expressed similar views, blaming liberal policies for exacerbating the fires.

Critics denounce these positions as cruel, given the scale of destruction, with over 12,000 buildings lost and massive evacuation orders in effect.

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 2 days ago (8 children)

Democrats: Please remember this moment and when it comes time to the elections constantly repeat this on loop as much as possible. We must never forget this.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 days ago

Democrats: we already know they're pieces of shit

Republicans: Fox news tells me California deserves it.

We live in the post truth world, what you believe to be true is predetermined and nothing means anything that comes from outside your chosen propaganda outlet. :(

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I agree, but if Trump putting kids in cages and kidnapping them from their families didn't sway enough voters the first time around, this certainly won't either.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

I don't think Democrats hammered this point hard enough. There must be relentless attacks against every bad thing Republicans have done. In addition Democrats must aggressively campaign for their vision with strong simple words.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago

I admire your positivity.

Just a few months ago democrats were protesting outside their own rallies.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 days ago

I honestly really admire your optimism.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago

Lol you're insane if you think this changes anything for anyone anywhere

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago
[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I think it's important to understand how a lot of red Americans see California. It's similar to how a lot of the world sees America. They were once enamored by it thanks to it's cultural dominance but nowadays they're disillusioned and sick of its cultural dominance. Even I as a leftist moving west in a few months am sick and tired of orange county deciding what the Republican position is resulting in my gerrymandered legislature attacking locally popular things like Marijuana (say what you will about hillbillies, they do not like being busted for their homemade intoxicants and many grow pot).

So yeah in short, the cruelty is the point and I promise, having once lived in his district, Jim Jordan would gain votes for it

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 2 days ago (2 children)

If you are in california and have nothing to lose remember that you know where mike johnson goes to work everyday.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 days ago (3 children)

You know if I lived in California right now I'd be wondering real hard why even be a part of the union? California contributes more than it receives, has vastly different politics than the rest of the country, has a powerhouse economy.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I grew up in California. I can tell you it's a very big place with lots of different types of folks. Most of the state geographically is conservative. Even a few of the largest cities in the state vote Red. LA is just that densely populated.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Sure but we also have an old underlying bit of nationalsim. Most conservatives ive met whos families have been here since before WW2 would happily secede if the opportunity presented itself. Its the younger families who have a problem with it in my opinion.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

The big problems would be all the US military bases and the power grid but, yeah I'm in.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Water might be an issue as well. We rely a lot on the Sierras but I think we also buy a lot of what we use from Colorado and have it piped here.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago

We also know where he lives. All three addresses.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 days ago

He's not holding aid hostage, he's holding people's lives hostage.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 days ago

California might as well be in the G7. So go right ahead Johnson, be petty and watch what happens when we stop paying federal taxes. You better believe we’ll be able to fund this kind of shit ourselves if we don’t have to share…

[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Climate change comes for all

[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 days ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago

Always remember the 4th of December. The day Saint Luigi and his followers will come to collect the dues owed to society

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 days ago

What a fucking piece of shit you are, Johnson.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 days ago (2 children)

So the next time Louisiana gets fucked like they did during Katrina we all just tell them to suck it?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

The fucked up thing is that the blatant double standard ensures that Republicans will blame the left no matter what. You cannot teach them through cause and effect, because their propaganda is too fucking powerful and their brains are too rotted.

If the Democrats did something even slightly similar to this, like 10% the severity, they would be demonized and it would be taken by conservatives as an act of unprovoked aggression. It does not matter what the context is, or if it was a direct response to Republicans doing the same fucking thing. It just does not matter.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That's pretty much what GWB did though

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Incompetence and malice can get the same results I suppose.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 days ago

These are the people they always want to apply the 'higher ground' and 'congressional decorum' to. Fuck em.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Crassus got Carrhae'd.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 days ago

I thought it was Canada’s fault for not turning on their faucet?

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