to be fair, they also talked about other musicals i didnt care about, but I wasn't feeling it, lmao. i would have been happy with literally any other topic, but i fall asleep during this shit, cant help it

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[+] 61 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)
  • [–] [S] 29 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    I have to admit that I only knew that Hamilton was a slave owner and that he is played by a black guy. I didn't even know he raps.

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  • [+] 49 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (12 children)
  • [–] 28 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    he even says "be a lamb sally"

    Jesus fucking christ.

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  • [–] 15 points 3 years ago* (last edited 3 years ago) (1 child)

    Edit: I ended up using this comment as an excuse to infodump but I tried not to do the whole thing where, by infodumping, I am implying that this knowledge is uncommon or that the person I’m responding to is ignorant of it. And it appears that I’ve explained the idea of a leitmotif to a theater kid. My bad, Othello. I just like explaining things. Love your stuff stalin-heart

    it implied Hamilton is TOTALLY biracial

    It’s pretty wild what facts needed to be left out or minimized to make this come across. Being playing by LMM instead of a white guy is a big part, obviously, but the whole idea that he was an “immigrant from the Caribbean” does a lot of heavy lifting there, too.

    He was the grandson of wealthy merchants on one side and of Scottish nobility on the other. He was seen as lower status because he was born in the colonies and out of wedlock, but he was very much a colonizer. And his “immigration” was moving from one British colony to another and British colony. He received a decade of private education and tutoring before his mother died and it was that education that he used to be able to go to New York with the purpose of continuing his education.

    you could have had a scene where sally hemmings comes out played by a child and had a long mournful monologue, about her abuse at the hands of jefferson, a "founding father"

    For anyone who’s not super familiar with musical theater, it tends to make heavy use of callback, reprise, and theme to tie together disparate ideas. If you don’t know what that means, think of the happy music that plays in the beginning of Up. When that same music plays near the end of the opening sequence and that makes you wanna cry? It’s not just because it’s sad. It’s because the music juxtaposes the sadness of the moment with the happiness and hope they’d just lost. It’s that kind of thing.

    Hamilton has stuff like this all over and is pretty tightly woven, but there are some dropped threads where you would expect some kind of callback and we just don’t get any. The reason? There were several more songs about opposition to slavery that were dropped because they didn’t play well in the test showings.

    Hamilton is truly a story of oppression, as packaged for the privileged masses.

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  • [+] 11 points 3 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)
  • [–] 9 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    No need to delete it. I put mine back up. I’m just having a weird day and was getting in my head about coming off as annoying.

    I also got very into Hamilton for a while, to the point where I was writing out maps of various motifs that came up and itemizing where they were and what that did to the meaning. I think my window into Hamilton was through neurodivergence, of people looking at you like you’re crazy and being simultaneously condescending about your forwardness and obsessiveness but also in awe of a lot of your output and endurance. That said, I keep finding examples of ways that perspective falls short, so I appreciate you being sincere and sharing that.

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  • [–] [S] 22 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    oops, I really do know jack shit about that musical kermit-pain

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  • [–] [S] 19 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    I got put in the worst role in theatre plays all the time for being ND and mocked the NT kids for forgetting their lines and generally fumbling up while I said the single line I had perfectly, it didn't help with being a people's person

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  • [–] [S] 17 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    Are you feeling the freedom yet? freedom-and-democracy

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  • [–] 30 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    It's funny because I have a deep appreciation for music, but I find so many musicals deeply and profoundly insipid

    Hamilton most of all

    Rap music for people who are scared of People of Color

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  • [–] 37 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    I don't remember who said it, but the fact that the first big rap broadway show was about the whitest thing ever - a treasury department secretary guy - is absolutely expected

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  • [–] 19 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    As a bisexual and former theatre kid, it does feel like certain stuff like broadway and that particularly bombastic pop existing in gay communities is some sort of psy-op or gaslighting. I hate the stuff, honestly. Lotta great gay music out there and its rarely the stuff pushed by the machine.

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  • [–] 14 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    Musicals are what happens when you place incredibly high demands(singing, dancing, acting, tons of extras) on performers to the point that it hurts their singing and acting. And then decide, its just a style of performance everybody! Like theyve turned the affect of bad performance into a stylistic choice and its sooooo fucking grating.

    If your desired takeaway is anything other than, cool costumes! Impressive coreography! Fun performing! What a voice! You probably wont like musicals.

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  • [–] [S] 15 points 3 years ago (4 children)

    I will be real, I will snooze through musicals, operas, anything that is haute culture, not out of principle but I am sitting in a comfy chair and somewhat well composed vibrations are hitting me, it is dark-ish if I turn my head. Sleepy time lenin-sleeping

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  • [–] 20 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    This was me every time we went on a field trip to hear the local city orchestra play

    The teachers would usually be upset, BUT THEY WERE THE ONES WHO WOULD PLAY CLASSICAL MUSIC DURING NAP TIME IN KINDERGARTEN, HOW WAS I NOT SUPPOSED TO ASSOCIATE CLASSICAL MUSIC WITH SLEEPING?

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  • [–] 21 points 3 years ago (2 children)

    I firmly believe Lin-Manuel Miranda should have been bullied more as a child. The play is just cringy slam poetry disguised as rap.

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  • [–] [S] 10 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    is slam poetry where poetry slams come from?

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  • [–] 12 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    You perform slam poetry at poetry slams, yes.

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  • [–] [S] 8 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    I never knew where this was coming from, it just made my toe nails fall off out of blandness so I avoided it like the plague

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  • [–] 14 points 3 years ago* (1 child)

    Everyone goes through the stages of slam poetry.

    Initial Exposure: You go with your college friend to watch the prettiest, most bohemian girl on the planet from their psych 101 class perform slam poetry at the bicycle-repair-shop-and-underground-cafe in your college town. You’re floored by her emotional story of helping a friend call the National Suicide Hotline. A single tear rolls down her face as she chokes out her final verse. You’re floored by her performance.

    Second Exposure: You watch the next performer nervously address the mic. They are somehow the most well groomed person you’ve ever seen and the sweatiest person you’ve ever seen. The Christmas lights that are hanging a foot above the stage dance off from glistening forehead. He is funny, weaving a story about his precocious little brother stealing mom’s credit card to by Pokémon cards. Then boom. Cancer. He hangs his head and continues, finishing softly and existing the stage swiftly. You’re moved…but suspicious.

    Final Exposure: You’ve watch a few more acts and are starting to see a pattern. A mother tells a story about her miscarriage 20 years ago. An obviously not-out-yet student laments about feeling rejected by his roommate’s ex-girlfriend. An eternally benched football player in his second senior year recounts his struggle to get a scholarship while juggling a job and watching his siblings. Finally a middle aged man in a stained Star Wars shirt opines about some lost love and your pretty sure he’s talking about a child he met online. You and your friend decide to leave, get drunk, and relentlessly make fun of the acts you just saw.

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  • [–] 21 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    the ideology is nauseating but the most baffling thing to me are people who say they like it for the music. the few times i've tried listening to a hamilton song it has made me feel like i'm being subjected to someone uncle rapping at their nephews wedding party

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  • [–] [S] 11 points 3 years ago

    i have a rough idea of what is going on it, not more. I neveer listened to it, bc i was repulsed by my second hand knowledge already so i put it in the "look at it after this laundry list of actually cool stuff", so i am a bit of a grillman wrt to it

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  • [–] 19 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    See this is why when we have state funded communist gay bars like in GDR we'll have a sign for the bartenders to tap which will read "No Hamilton"

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    [–] 18 points 3 years ago (1 child)

    One of my NB customers was wearing a shirt with a Hamilton quote on it and I wanted to die.

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  • [–] [S] 10 points 3 years ago (3 children)

    to be fair, I can see the appeal of having people sing very well and tell a story, or at least this is what I tell myself so people won't see me as a gloomy, anti-cultural killjoy

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