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[–] [email protected] 12 points 8 hours ago (3 children)

I get not liking Discovery, but do people really think Lower Decks, SNW, Picard are “Woke?”

Also, obviously, sci-fi is at its best when tackling politics… Isn’t that kinda the point?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 hour ago

"Woke" has long since lost its original meaning.

Used to mean something positive and progressive. Then it meant something that tried writing itself off as something progressive, but was simply stupid and entitled (i.e. That Batwoman series), now it's anything a right winger hates, even if it isn't trying to be progressive in any way.

Truth is, with NuTrek, it doesn't have a single progressive bone in its body, and the writers don't have the skill to pull off any sort of commentary.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 7 hours ago

It's woke because they're so unhinged that basic human decency is woke now.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 hours ago

SNW has like 90% female crew members. Also the pilot lady has short hair. Therefore woke.

Probably.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

https://youtube.com/watch?v=QFspemhHmsw A Critique of Star Trek Discovery — Part 1 #RIPStarTrek

This whole essay is worth listening to, but 15:46-30:33 in particular gets at the heart of a big reason why classic Trek rocks and why nuTrek is shit.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 hours ago

Lower Decks remains very good. CBS has tried to pivot Star Trek from Sci-Fi to Space Adventure, and that's been ugly. But not every series they've spun out took that tone.

Also Orville - particularly the latest season - has been incredible. Everything Star Trek is supposed to be.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 20 hours ago

I havent gotten past the original series yet (I started with that), so far Star Trek seems like the entire point is to get into complex social and political issues that other companies would be too scared to cover.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 day ago (1 children)

“Shatner figured it out? Shatner? This is a real low point. Yeah, this one hurts.”

[–] [email protected] 26 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (1 children)

"When I have a problem that phasers can't solve, I just kiss a beautiful alien. Then suddenly, I have a completely different problem!" - Jason Tiberius Kirk

Edit: I may have drifted into the Kelvin timeline...

[–] [email protected] 18 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

“I'm a legit snack” - Nyota Uhura

[–] [email protected] 6 points 13 hours ago

More like the main course 😏

[–] [email protected] 71 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Nichelle Nichols was at one point thinking of quitting the show but stayed because MLK Jr. himself told her how important her character was.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 day ago

And without Nichelle Nichols on Star Trek, she wouldn't have been hired by NASA and then we wouldn't have had Sally Ride, so she is a legitimate space hero.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 day ago (1 children)

She thought about leaving because she didn't feel like her character got to do enough - a common sentiment of supporting actors.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It was TNG that really established an ensemble cast formula; TOS was Kirk-Spock-McCoy and the rest. It took TNG a couple seasons before they got the idea of a true ensemble cast where everyone gets to star in some episodes. TOS wouldn't have had more than one episode starring Reginald Barcklay with Geordi and Dianna in supporting roles, but TNG had at least two.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

TOS wouldn't have had more than one episode starring Reginald Barcklay with Geordi and Dianna in supporting roles, but TNG had at least two.

Three, even. Horny holideck, barkley gets his groove on, and transporter cuddles.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago

"Transporter cuddles".

[–] [email protected] 75 points 1 day ago (18 children)

Guaranteed if original Star Trek came out today, it would be decried as "woke" and "DEI" and there would be outrage over it from the usual culture warriors.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 day ago (10 children)

They didn’t have everything figured out back then. For one, they bullied Spock for what we could only describe today as his neurodiversity.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 day ago (3 children)

The message I got from McCoy was that humans got along because they found new people to be racist against instead of each other

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago

It helps when every other planet is a severely flawed monocolutre.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 day ago (9 children)

Kind of yeah, but Gene Roddenberry used allegories like the half black and half white dudes who hated each other - which took more effort than having characters just walk around in the present saying, "Wow, look at all the social injustice."

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Yeah he was real subtle. Not full of preachy monologues at all.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Roddenberry was both a genuinely progressive guy and an extremely 20th century man. "In the future we're going to cure disease and hunger and everyone of all races and creeds will work together there's gonna be a black woman, an asian guy, a Russian and an alien with funny ears on the bridge all working as a team and the women will all wear wrist length gogo dresses and there's gonna be an episode where the crew is utterly baffled at the very concept of racism. We're gonna paint some actors with half of their faces white and half of their faces black and they're gonna be really horrible to each other and when asked why they're gonna say "They're white on the left side and we're white on the right side" and it's gonna make racism sound really dumb."

I struggle to have a problem with a guy whose message is "Systematic hatred is extremely bad and stupid, let's look at sexy legs instead."

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

As transparent as Gene's little parables were, I vastly prefer that method of social commentary over just saying "They certainly were unenlightened in the early 21st century weren't they - shame on them!"

[–] [email protected] 8 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

I haven't watched any Star Trek since Enterprise. Are they worse at it now? It has been a long road getting form there to here.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

IMO Picard season 1 is fantastic and season 2 has some embarrassingly awkward social justice preaching but a good story about the Borg queen. Haven't seen season 3 or Below Decks yet.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 hours ago

Haven't seen season 3

Uhhhh.... Just so you know, most of us consider Season 3 the good one.

I enjoyed all three, but S3 was particularly a beautiful love letter to TNG.

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