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Imagine how cool it would be to see some person yelling about Lenin and Marx, waving their arms around like crazy, newspaper in hand. Wearing one of those old caps, like the one Lenin had.

I know we kind of have a version of it online, but it's much more atomising and lame. Yelling on internet forums will never compare.

The only people who do soapboxing these days are ultra religious nutters, screaming about the apocalypse or whatever. How the great have fallen, truly.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

Well, you know. Nothing's stopping you.

The religious ones were always prominent and you can't let it put you off.

See for example Joe Hill's 1911 song The Preacher and the Slave. It's a song that addresses the conflict between union soapboxers and religious ones.

Lyrics from Mudcat:

Preacher and the Slave

Long-haired preachers come out every night,
Try to tell you what's wrong and what's right;
But when asked how 'bout something to eat
They will answer with voices so sweet:

Main Chorus:

You will eat, bye and bye,
In that glorious land above the sky;
Work and Pray, live on hay,
You'll get pie in the sky when you die.

And the starvation army they play,
And they sing and they clap and they pray.
Till they get all your coin on the drum,
Then they tell you when you are on the bum:

If you fight hard for children and wife
Try to get something good in this life
You're a sinner and bad man, they tell,
When you die you will sure go to hell.

Workingmen of all countries unite,
Side by side we for freedom will fight;
When the world and its wealth we have gained
To the grafters we'll sing this refrain:

Last Chorus:

You will eat, bye and bye,
When you've learned how to cook and to fry
Chop some wood, 'twill do you good
And you'll eat in the sweet bye and bye.

Utah Phillips has a good version from "We Have Fed You all For A Thousand Years" includes a bit of chit chat with historical context. (I can't get this to play on any invidious instance for some reason, only youtube.com but it's worth it if you've never heard it.) He's got some other recordings talking about the larger historical situations of "the free speech fights" in early 20th c califorrnia. It was about worker power and suppression of union organizing.

Here is a different live version also from Utah Phillips Live at the Rose Wagner Theater, Salt Lake City, Utah, February 2005 (currently working invidious)

And a recording of Harry McClintock singing it (working invidious) which is like reaching back to the early 20th century.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Utah's great. Really wish we had more folks like him and the other old musical folk singers

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago

Pete Seeger croaked some time ago, but the tradition is still going. Much of it seems confined to folk punk, admittedly.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Do you think there isn't?

I think this sort of stuff is just unpopular ("because folk music is boring" as he quotes someone else as saying). It doesn't really translate too well to the current online media. But lots of people are inspired to take it up for at least a little while. But how could anyone live off it?

David Rovics is one example I know of who is still at work after many years. But I don't follow closely enough to know of the many other more compelling artists that surely exist.

Especially if you do not limit yourself to the "white guy with acoustic guitar" definition/aesthetics of folk music.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I'm more wishing the people that do would have more of an online presence. I've met and have gotten to know a handful of them during my travels across the U.S, including Rovics funny enough, but besides Rovics they're usually struggling to make ends meet with life being life in america and the music is a weekend or special event hobby for them which means doing and learning the online tech wizardry really isn't in the books for them as much.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I wonder if tik tok would be a good place to find such people? I have heard you can "train the algorithm" to find what you are interested in.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

shrug-outta-hecks couldn't be bothered to get tik-tok. I'm happy enough being a techno-barbarian

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I found YouTube links in your comment. Here are links to the same videos on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:

Link 1:

Link 2:

Link 3:

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

today's version of that demo are either posting here (and its right wing equivalents) or dead

when I was 9 my family visited London and we went to Speakers' Corner in Hyde Park. most people were gathered around a guy standing on a box talking about how women are to blame for all sexual assaults

i think we're better off this way

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I mean it is London you're talking about. I don't think it should be used as an example of what human society is capable of...

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

within each american is a particle of england

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Got to bring back soap boxes first

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago (2 children)

How much does a big box of soap cost these days?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

eBay is telling me $300 USD.

We're going to have to swap to using Walmart TV boxes.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Getting talked down to by a guy on the street standing on a bigger TV box (98").

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Trying to get the other people on the street to listen to my rant and read my marxist pamphlets that I'm tossing in their air at them but this new guy's deftly teetering on his TV box long-side-up and I'm being shunned as they laugh and cheer and jeer at his display of showmanship.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Now he's periodically throwing at me the included bracket mount screws that he's also juggling. Real mature, guy.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago
[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

hell do you live, we still got those. they're trots though lol

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago

Same, but most of the time these are Trade Unionists (some are trots) and Student Unions.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago

I'm gonna be honest I have sometimes thought of soapboxing IRL, probably won't ever do it just cause it seems like a really easy way to get targeted by the Black Hundreds

Sent from Mdewakanton Dakota lands / Sept. 29 1837Treaty with the Sioux of September 29th, 1837

"We Will Talk of Nothing Else": Dakota Interpretations of the Treaty of 1837

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago

okay adhd side note coming in

the history of soap box speeches comes from the early days of the industrial workers of the world who would stand on soap boxes and try to radicalize and unionize workers. in america some of the first anti-free speech laws were passed to try and repress these comrades.

soap box speeches in america have a rich history among anarchists, socialists, and communists.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago

You should be the change you want to see in the world. Or maybe I should

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

Holy shit I did not realize I need a Lenin hat

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Where is there enough for traffic for people to listen in America? Outside of NYC it's just shopping districts which are usually private property or heavily policed enough to get you thrown out either way.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

In my experience it's always the same religious group hogging one particular stoplight to yell at all the people stuck in traffic. Maybe we could get up early, take their spot, and start yelling about the labor theory of value.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

Be the change you want to see in the world.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

Standing on a Costco bundle of soap and yelling about Kropotkin makes me feel pretty lame tbh.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

yes I think we should

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

Need higher quality boxes.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

They still exist. There was some weird christian preacher that just monologued at my college when students were walking between classes. Though he used a ladder instead of a soap box.