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[–] [email protected] 46 points 6 days ago (2 children)

There's no virtue signalling in paying taxes

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 days ago

But there could be

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

Make a big show of making your tax records public

[–] [email protected] 28 points 6 days ago (1 children)

To be clear, it isn't free healthcare. In Canada we pay our taxes and the government administers the health insurance system. In Ontario where I live it's the Ontario Health Insurance Plan. It covers most doctors visits and most treatments. I have Hodgins Lymphoma and am nearing the end of my treatment. Dozens of doctors visits, CT scans, x-rays, an echo cardiogram, a respiratory study, two PET scans, and all the drugs and the only thing I've paid for out of pocket is parking, and the hospital where I'm being treated just put in free parking for cancer patients and gave me a parking pass. Our government negotiates the price of drugs at the national level and regulates drug prices. Companies aren't allowed to raise the price of a drug that is on the market unless there is a corresponding improvement in benefit to the patient. They can't add a coloured band to a capsule, rename the drug (Losec to Prilosec, for example) and double or triple the price. Generic drugs are the same. That's why epipens are $100 here and not $600 like in the US. There has been no substantion improvement in their benefit to patients so the price can't go up.

Universal healthcare isn't perfect but 22 of 23 highly developed countries in the world have it and the US profits before people system is grotesque.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I don't think many Americans in favor of universal healthcare think it's going to cost nothing. Of course, taxes will increase. But we already pay for private healthcare. Most of us via a payroll deduction.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

We do as well. I have private coverage for things that OHIP doesn't cover like a private hospital room, massage, physio, and other therapies, eye glasses, dental, and prescription drugs. It's much, much cheaper than in the US because it is single payer and heavily regulated.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago

we not only pay for healthcare, compared to what the world pays, we pay for gold plated health care and get delivered garbage that bankrupts us.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

I think their issue is everyone getting it. In American culture and Christianity, love must be conditional.

Only correct behaviour would mean you get rewarded/supported.

Their issue isn’t giving it away for free, their issue is not being able to classify certain members of society as a underclass that don’t deserve anything unless they conform to their values.

So it’s about power and control. Universal health care means you have no power over these individuals and what values they live by.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Don't call it "free", it sounds like you are so out of touch with reality that you don't know that healthcare has costs.

The word is "universal". In my country, I paying for healthcare, but not as much as wealthly people here do. That's the main argument for it: the rich subsidize healtcare for the poor.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

In my country I pay for health INSURANCE through income tax. I get healthcare for free. I call it free because I don't pay to go to the doctor or the hospital. ** So why is this distinction important to me? Because this means I don't have to worry about paying for healthcare. I don't save any money by not going to the doctor. I don't loose access to health care if I loose my job. As long as I am a citizen here, money and healthcare are two unrelated concerns.

I know that money is going from my salary and in some way to the hospitals etc, there's no way around that. But this way I don't have to worry about it. Not when paying my bills, not when needing health care.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Exactly if it comes out of tax technically it isn't free but at the same time you also don't really notice it.

Saying that you pay for health care through taxes it's a bit like saying that you pay to walk down the street through taxes, technically of course you do pay to walk down the street through taxes, but it is such a bizarre thing to say.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

That's actually a really good analogy. Most people would accept that going for a walk is free, and that tax money (in most cases) paid the path.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago

In the UK everyone would say that healthcare is free. Obviously it isn't but it's not like you get a breakdown on your taxes so you don't really notice the fact that you're paying for it.

Even the belligerent idiots that try and move us over to a US style insurance system don't really articulate that healthcare costs money. It's such an abstract concert here.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 days ago

She just wants to dance

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago

They don't want the possibility of helping everyone, there could be someone they don't like in there!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 days ago

You didn't even put an Instagram filter on it. Are you even trying?

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