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Prosecutors highlighted “about $10,000 — $8,000 in U.S. dollars and then $2,000 in foreign currency that was found on his person,” CNN correspondent Danny Freeman said following the court hearing.

“Also they said that he had a Faraday bag,” which blocks cell signals, a move that prosecutors alleged marked “an indication of criminal sophistication and reason they should hold him on bail,” Freeman continued.

After prosecutors made the claims, Mangione said he would like to “correct two things.”

“I don’t know where any of that money came from — I’m not sure if it was planted. And also, that bag was waterproof, so I don’t know about criminal sophistication,” the suspect said in a statement that suggested police framed him.

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[–] 421 points 2 years ago (57 children)

Authorities are desperately trying to make an example of someone, anyone with a motive. Turns out more than half the country has one.

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  • [–] 131 points 2 years ago (28 children)

    I’m the one who killed the dude actually. Remember? You were there. ;)

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  • [–] 112 points 2 years ago (20 children)

    the way they portray him and the tone of the whole thing is just so fucking slimy

    "Do you realize how much money the wealthy are losing right now?"

    "OMG how could a person born into wealth that is clearly incredibly intelligent, ever think about doing something like this? There are better ways to slowly let millions of people die over denied coverage and ignore it. How could he."

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    [–] 282 points 2 years ago (18 children)

    “Also they said that he had a Faraday bag,” which blocks cell signals, a move that prosecutors alleged marked “an indication of criminal sophistication and reason they should hold him on bail,” Freeman continued.

    Prosecutors, man. Acting like he had a fucking radio jammer or something.

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  • [–] 196 points 2 years ago (13 children)

    There have been plenty of articles in popular media recommending Faraday bags for electronic devices. I have them for credit cards and car keys. It's definitely not evidence of criminal intent.

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    [–] 198 points 2 years ago (37 children)

    A LOT of yesterday's arrest is REALLY suspicious. Dude who could easily have fled the country (for a lot of reasons) and had done such a great job of covering his tracks is sitting in a mickey d's with his murder weapon and a manifesto.

    But... a lot of his social media history (which is not impossible to fake but...) kind of suggests he was very mentally unwell. Which... uh doy? And he is mostly focused on the money (super easy to plant) and the "faraday bag".

    As for the faraday bag? A LOT of dry bags (an internal bag you put electronics and valuables into if you are going to hike in the rain or go rafting/boating) have a metal mesh. Because they need to withstand abrasians either from being near other gear (you would be shocked how much jagged metal is in a backpack when you go on a proper alpine overnight) or just being able to survive falling overboard and bouncing on the end of a rope in rapids. And guess what a metal mesh does?

    So he presumably got a dry bag of some form to stash his personal shit in while he stashed the second backpack. And I know plenty of hikers and climbers who learn the fun way that the phone they carried "in case someone needs to get a hold of me" had zero signal the entire time it was protected from the rain.

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  • [–] 155 points 2 years ago (13 children)

    Where is the body camera footage?

    Until I see it, all of this shit fake news.

    Luigi didn't do shit. They are just trying to pin it on any Italian guy that fits their narrative

    Sure he hates health insurance parasites so does 99% of US.

    It ain't a crime!

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    [–] 160 points 2 years ago (21 children)

    From the article:

    Although a host of eyewitness accounts and video camera footage recorded Mangione’s movements before and after Thompson was killed in New York City on Wednesday, police said they were unable to locate him until a McDonald’s employee identified the suspect at a Pennsylvania franchise nearly a week later.

    They should have said "the suspect's movements" or "the shooter's movements". Not "Mangione's movements". They are already presuming guilt by saying it was Mangione who was recorded. Newspapers used to be careful about doing this. I think they can be sued for defamation for this, can't they?

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    [–] 151 points 2 years ago (10 children)

    Looks like they are trying hard to rebrand the guy image by publishing pictures where he looks off. How i'm supposed to believe the government has no plan against the people when they pull stunt like this?

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  • [–] 116 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Fox news is saying people are supporting him because he's handsome and we're all a bunch of shallow morons.

    Completely leaving out the fact that that CEO and others like him make decisions everyday to let people suffer and/or die for profit. To buy more yachts or whatever the fuck excessively affluent people do with money. Wipe their ass with it? Use the money from dead cancer patients who hit their lifetime maximum coverage to delicately pat their hemorrhoids clean maybe?

    The media is trying so hard to spin this I hope they all get carpal tunnel from typing out all those half truths and outright lies. Then they have their claims for quality of life giving surgery denied. Then maybe they'll get it.

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    [–] 140 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    I'm not convinced either way whether or not he's the culprit, but I certainly don't trust the authorities to give him a fair trial.

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  • [–] 130 points 2 years ago* (9 children)

    Luigi needs to shut the everloving fark up and let his lawyer do the talking for him. The cops are trolling him with fake evidence and he's falling for it.

    "The gun WASN'T a 32 caliber, it was a 22 rimfire!" etc, etc.

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  • [–] 104 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    This is the correct answer. If you are arrested by police for ANY REASON, the only word in your vocabulary is now "lawyer". Remember kids, anything you say or do will be used against you.

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  • [–] 44 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    "I invoke my right to remain silent and have a lawyer."

    It sucks, but sometimes you have to explicitly state you are exercising your rights. Just staying silent doesn't mean they won't stop pestering you with questions. Make it clear and concise that that you are demanding your lawyer be present and any further questioning done should be in violation of that right. But you have to make it clear you are invoking it.

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    [–] 119 points 2 years ago (15 children)

    They definitely put way more effort into this shooting than any of the others that happened on the same day. Obviously the police are looking for a scapegoat

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  • [–] 75 points 2 years ago (13 children)

    He hasn’t said he didn’t do it, at least that we have heard. He’s just saying that a lot of the evidence is incorrect. The money is a flight risk, so they can argue to hold without bail. The manifesto, if it’s a plant, is to make him look “crazy,” so people distance (haha, backfire). And the faraday nonsense is to suggest that an ankle monitor would be of no use, so also no bail.

    It’s all about holding him at this point.

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    [–] 97 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    A computer programmer with a common cyber security countermeasure you can buy on Amazon indicates criminal sophistication?

    Sure Jan.

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    [–] 91 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Our incoming president is a convicted felon and RAPIST who incited an insurrection and illegally attempted to overturn an election.

    The rule of law doesn't mean shit anymore.

    I could give 2 fucks if this guy lies through his teeth to get off the hook. Go for it bro.

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    [–] 83 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    My ez-pass transponder came with a faraday bag - clearly ez-pass is a criminal organization

    A former employer handed out branded faraday phone and wallet bags as a tchotchke- I must have worked for organized crime.

    Oh no, passport faraday bags are all over Amazon - clearly criminal and needs to be shut down

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    [–] 80 points 2 years ago* (3 children)

    Yeah, prosecutors are really trying to smear this guy to look dangerous. Try harder. An RF-blocking bag is just to prevent theft, hacking and protect privacy. I'm a bit confident he's the guy but I can't say beyond a reasonable doubt given the circumstances and how the police are incentivised to frame anyone.

    Since news reports keep jumping around between a McDonald's customer and a McDonald's employee offering the tip, every inconsistency will only bolster this guy's case. I can make guesses that this guy wanted to get caught or was a little sloppy, but if he says otherwise then finding everything including the gun is a little suspicious. Get him the best lawyer in the biz, I'm sure crowdfunding will cover it many times over.

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    [–] 61 points 2 years ago

    He had Ill will against corporate America, nobody would have that unless they were the killer! Sick evidence coppers!

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    [–] 58 points 2 years ago (15 children)

    It makes perfect sense for this to be a frame up because one of the incriminating items was a "Recently Used Ghost Gun", a cheaply made 3D Printed gun that leaves no special marking on the bullet and can only really be used once. They are made to be used for crimes and discarded quickly, which is why some congressmen want to see restrictions on 3D Printers.

    This raises an interesting question: How the fuck is he dumb enough not to dispose of the gun that was meant to be disposed? And has two answers: He's just that fucking stupid or The evidence was planted

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    [–] 55 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    What if you find shooter's backpack ditched in park with jacket, gun, silencer, and fake ID used at hostel, but say it only had a jacket and monopoly money. And say that the guy probably left the state on a bus. Now you can pretty much do anything you want with any plausible-looking guy in the country you want.

    I'm just asking questions! Also, most of the bags and purses you see for sale these days have a "faraday" phone bag or pocket in them, no level of sophistication required.

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    [–] 54 points 2 years ago* (14 children)

    Step 1 - Have an AI scrape social media looking for someone similar looking who has posted negative things about the insurance Industry.

    Step 2 - sprinkle crack on them

    Step 3 - ????

    Step 4 - record breaking profits for health insurance corporations every year forever and ever and ever

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    [–] 50 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    I've got a Faraday bag and foreign currency as well lol

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    [–] 48 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)
    • Likely wearing similar clothes to the widely circulated photographs. Otherwise how did anyone recognize him?
    • Still had his ghost gun and manifesto on him.
    • Cops asked him for an ID and he gave them the same fake New Jersey ID that had been widely reported as what he used to check into a hostel in NYC.

    Where these just common mistakes? Made by the same person who succeeded at avoiding so many others? But if he was trying to turn himself in, getting arrested at McDonalds doesn't seem like the method I would have chosen. Was he trying for suicide by police?

    I'm leaning on the side of a normal human 'on the run' and making normal mistakes. But there is enough to make me doubt that.

    Also if they ever make a movie out of this, James Franco's brother Dave Franco has a passing resemblance.

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    [–] 48 points 2 years ago* (3 children)

    If the police did this, that’s not surprising, but they are really stupid.

    This case is going to be under a microscope like an inverted OJ trial, and every bit of police misconduct is ammunition for his lawyers

    Imagine the uproar if this guy gets away on a technicality… it would be a national celebration, lol.

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    [–] 45 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    If another ceo dies from someone who looks like the guy while this guy is locked up then its realy gonna make the system look corrupt

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