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Edit: I accidentally refreshed the page and it offered alternative questions for ID validation, such as high school of graduation and SSN. But it's still absurd to expect someone to even humor the premise of the prompt.

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[–] [email protected] 88 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

"Using the digits 0 through 9, please arrange them in a sequence that resembles your social security number. You may use each digit more than once."

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Now select it from the dropdown. Keyboard selection has been disabled.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago

I assume it’s in random order for convenience

[–] [email protected] 37 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Weird question but at least there's an N/A option at the bottom

[–] [email protected] 60 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The purpose of these questions is to verify your identity; they have your DoB, and are asking the question to confirm that you are who you say you are, so if you answer N/A when the correct answer is one of the other 4, you'll be denied access to whatever you're signing up for.

All that said, "What month were you born in?" would have been a much better question for the reasons OP notes.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago

All that said, “What month were you born in?” would have been a much better question for the reasons OP notes.

We were discussing this in the atheism community and the advantage of zodiac sign over birth month is that there is not an even overlap between months and zodiac signs, so 30% of people will be born in a different month than the one associated with the sign. I'm one of these. I was born near the end of the month so the sign I would be associated with is not the sign people associate with the month.

Don't get me wrong, I think this was a stupid security question, but it's less stupid than it first sounds because of that.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

From what I begrudgingly know about astrology, "Does not apply" would only pertain to people who haven't been born yet or who were born outside of the solar system. Knowing if "None of the above" applies still requires knowledge of how the arbitrary categories correspond with the calendar.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 weeks ago (5 children)

They’re all wrong anyway.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago

Bah. My star sign stays the same in this adjusted version. And I don't even get a horse racing tip.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago

There are more than four signs, it could be N/A if you were in the other eight.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 weeks ago (10 children)

This is a CAPTCHA that is using security by obscurity. Honestly, it seems a lot better than a lot of alternatives around at the moment designed to combat the smarter CAPTCHA solvers.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago

What we need is a privacy preserving identity system that isn't tied to one service or entity.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Maybe you can suggest alternative questions, maybe something involving homeopathy or reiki, or perhaps chemtrails.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

I was thinking more along the lines of “Based on your connection to the Force and your relation to the Jedi Order, what color would your lightsaber be: A. Green B. Blue C. Red. D. Purple E. None of the above”, or “Which Pokémon was based on the Chinese Zodiac animal of your year of birth? A. Swinub B. Rapidash C. Lopunny D. Chimchar E. None of the above”

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

"What's your build in Dark Souls?"

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Me: "Huh, there's no Trash option here."

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 weeks ago (9 children)

This isn't about whether the question is appropriate, I agree it isn't. I'm just curious. While I'm not a believer, I do know what 'type' I supposedly fall in. Do most nonbelievers know their sign, or do they have no idea?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

It probably relates to your age. When I grew up there were still newspapers (and dinosaurs) and you probably ran across a small horoscope section somewhere in there (especially on or near the comics page), so for me seeing the dates was virtually unavoidable. But I haven't run across a random horoscope in over 20 years, so if you're born after the millennium I'm sure it was much less prominent in your life.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I remember those little scrolls at supermarket check outs. Always thought zodiacs were dumb but the fact that it was a scroll made me want it

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Oh I'd totally forgotten about those, and I had the exact same sentiment as a kid. They seemed somehow mystical just because they were in scroll form.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago

Absolutely, sharing horoscopes during lunch break used to be very common.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

While the wording is stupid, and "astrological" indeed refers to the superstitious bullshit, the zodiacs are not a believer/non-believer thing, but based on an astronomical(!) constellation being at a particular position in the sky in the period of said zodiac. That said, however, and without checking, I am sure that this does not align with the dates assigned to the zodiacs at all anymore because the Earth wobbles on it's orbit & also because the zodiac cycles could never possibly align precisely with a year on Earth, simply because the dates are fixed and don't account for leap years (the ~0.25 day extra each year).

Why did I make this point? Because it appears that in Europe at least, everyone knows their zodiac - I would be surprised if it's any different in countries that use the same calendar.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago

I don't know what my zodiac sign is despite several people having told me. I never seem to remember. That's how insignificant it is in my life.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago (10 children)

Do most nonbelievers know their sign, or do they have no idea?

In the very rare case where it comes up, I almost always have to look up the answer. Why would I have the signs and their date ranges memorized? This is like asking someone whose only tangentially heard of D&D to name his favorite first level spell.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago

What? You don’t need to remember the ranges. Just look it up once and remember the single one for your DoB. Or am I missing something.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I have no idea what sign I am. Never cared, was never asked.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

At my date of birth, the sun was in Ophiuchus

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 weeks ago

tropical or sidereal or Schmidt or IAU zodiac?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 weeks ago

As offensive to my sensibilities as hocus-pocus may be, a question that requires me to be competent enough to use a search engine to derive the answer to their question may be acceptable in some cases… But I rather doubt it is acceptable in this instance.

If part of the intent is to dissuade those who do not have a basic grasp of language or problem solving skills, then it seems the mission is accomplished. But I wonder if it’s entirely ADA* compliant.

*Americans With Disabilities Act, here in the states

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 weeks ago

I see people's comments that it's technically a fact derived from your date of birth, and doesn't require superstition. But I have no idea of which sign lines up with my birthday, so I propose some different questions:

Which Chinese emperor was born in the same lunar year as you?

According to the office of national statistics, how many people born on your birthday in Northern Europe were called John?

How many days is it from your fourth birthday to the nearest February 29th?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago

It’s just doing a compatibility check.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago

Lol typical cancer

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

what country to you live in? fucking Narnia?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago
[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (3 children)

Why is that a superstition? It is trivial to write a program to calculate corresponding zodiac sign of any particular date. It's just a bad captcha and I don't think most people remember/know enough to calculate in their head.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

The questions still valid.... Why would I simply be aware what year I was born in under the Chinese zodiac so that I could get a new SS card. You are missing the forest for the trees.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I think it's at a sort of weird crossroads between superstition and factual data, because it is trivial to calculate the factual data regarding the position of any star in the sky at any point, but the superstition comes in when you associate the positions of a rather arbitrary group of stars in relation to a date of birth.

I just thought of this though- you could argue that this is an anti-astrology security measure because it proves that you can't guess someone's zodiac sign based on things like their interests and personality traits.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Of course the part associating zodiac sign with personality or fate is clearly superstition.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago

that's such a capricorn thing to say

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 weeks ago

Zodiac signs are about as accurate as tarot readings or reading tea leaves. They're even wrong about what they are based on. The star locations and sun precession hasn't coincided with the original 12 zodiac constellations for centuries. People use the dates and signs as they were set by astrology tradition ages ago, but the dates when the sun changes from one constellation to the next is also absolutely arbitrary to make it match exactly 4 and a half weeks.

The personality descriptions for zodiac signs are textbook examples of cold reading. A technique of making intentionally ambiguous but agreeable affirmations so that people project their self-view onto the descriptions disregarding evidence or specifities.

It is a superstition as it is the belief on the supernatural influence of the relative apparent position of stars in the sky over the behavior and personality of individuals. It's a, mostly, harmless superstition, but superstitious none the less.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago

I really hate the MIlogin questions, sometimes I fail to answer correctly for some stupid mistake and need to wait a couple of days to retry

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Interesting. I wonder what the thinking is here? It's almost like a really poor manual password hash. Here's something derived from my date of birth. Store that instead of the actual date. Pretty weak though.

[–] HobbitFoot 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

It is probably something to confuse automated systems. A person could figure out their astrological sign easily by knowing their birthday. A computer attempting to brute force attack would probably be less likely to know how to answer the question.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago

A person could figure out their astrological sign easily by knowing their birthday.

The best thing to do during a security check is to google how to know your astrology sign.

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