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[–] 116 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The reason people use chatgpt like this is the same reason kids have stopped reading. Actually learning things clearly doesn't actually get you anything in our society. University degrees are just things you do to get a better paying job. School is just something you do because you have to do it. In a society that values profit over everything, why shouldn't you put in the least amount of effort possible? The idea that schools create responsible and active citizens or that universities create people whose knowledge can improve the world has always been a farce, people have just started realizing it.

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  • [–] 38 points 2 years ago (9 children)

    the credential doesn't get the job. the credential is the baseline for not having your application ignored. the credential doesn't keep the job. valuable work product, demonstrate initiative, interpersonal skills and professional development do.

    the kids who take only shortcuts with their own education to minimize learning, unless they have family connections, are 100% shortchanging themselves and can be spotted a mile away.

    one of the most important skills higher education develops is learning how to learn, and the people who sidestep the opportunity to do that screw themselves so hard.

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  • [–] 53 points 2 years ago* (1 child)

    Lol, no. The person who can bullshit the best keeps the job. Valuable people have the self-destructive tendency of delivering honest bad news.

    I say this as someone who has both been a valuable employee and managed fairly large departments. And who grew up long before LLMs existed. An important thing to remember is that hiring and firing decisions are generally above the team lead's pay grade, meaning that a bullshitter just has to network upwards.

    Sure, cheating at uni will cripple the kids, but only the frontline employees, not those who tip straight into management.

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  • [–] 26 points 2 years ago*

    this is the most accurate from my own experience of having worked for decades

    the idiot who knows absolutely nothing, isn't even afraid to admit they don't know anything but is able to bullshit the best, and suck up to the uppers without pissing them off, is the one who advances the furthest and quickest

    anecdotally i've seen this time and again in IT. someone who really has no business being in IT support managing to get the job through bullshit interviews and name dropping, clearly having no skills whatsoever to troubleshoot or even do the most basic requirements of the job, but being able to shamelessly kiss ass and self-promote makes it to the lead IT position in 2 years, meanwhile the folks who know their shit inside and out end up leaving the job because they get no raises or promotions and just keep getting more work piled on endlessly

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  • [–] 43 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    the credential doesn't get the job. the credential is the baseline for not having your application ignored. the credential doesn't keep the job. valuable work product, demonstrate initiative, interpersonal skills and professional development do.

    stop talking like a career coach. you are always replaceable.

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  • [–] 28 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    stop talking like a fool. it's one thing to understand the ideological frame of neoliberal capitalism that our society operates within.

    it is something else entirely to internalize it and believe it so thoroughly you abandon your own agency and education.

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  • [–] 71 points 2 years ago*

    The company that employed me strived only to serve up the cheapest fare that its customers would tolerate, churn it out as fast as possible, and charge as much as they could get away with. If it were possible to do so, the company would sell what all businesses of its kind dream about selling, creating that which all our efforts were tacitly supposed to achieve: the ultimate product – Nothing. And for this product they would command the ultimate price – Everything. This market strategy would then go on until one day, among the world-wide ruins of derelict factories and warehouses and office buildings, there stood only a single, shining, windowless structure with no entrance and no exit. Inside would be – will be – only a dense network of computers calculating profits. Outside will be tribes of savage vagrants with no comprehension of the nature or purpose of the shining, windowless structure. Perhaps they will worship it as a god. Perhaps they will try to destroy it, their primitive armory proving wholly ineffectual against the smooth and impervious walls of the structure, upon which not even a scratch can be inflicted.

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  • [+] 64 points 2 years ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)
  • [–] [S] 62 points 2 years ago

    Sounds like what’s happening in corporate America

    agony-shivering

    Love to report to a boss who thinks taking 5 minutes to write a python script that pulls json data can just be “chatgpt’d”

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  • [–] 45 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    The first wave of propaganda around this was very effective. AI brained people would sing praises of open minded teachers who embraced the torrent of AI slop rather than oppose it. I remember reading about a professor who instead of banning ChatGPT instead gave his students a ChatGPT generated essay and asked them to critically analyse it.

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  • [–] 61 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Sam Altman and his pack of freaks treat it like God, and they want the state to make them the official priesthood.

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  • [–] 50 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    He says that humans are stochastic parrots and that hallucinations is how LLMs express creativity. I feel the next techbro huckster cannot be more absurd than this but reality has its ways of disappointing me.

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  • [–] 53 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    y'know what it's kind of giving for me? there's a bit in one of the hitchhiker's guide books where a planet's civilization goes completely belly up because they have the bright idea of shipping off into space 1/3 of the population that did "noncritical" sorts of jobs and then everyone dies because it turns out they were pretty important in the social ecosystem. like amerikkkan civilizational collapse won't be traceable to any particularly profound anti- -- from the western perspective -- messianic event in history but rather the simple fact that society relies on people codependently laboring according to correct institutional process knowledge.

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  • [–] 29 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Yeah there are a lot of jobs that are theoretically useless in an ideal economic system or even a better economic system, but are actually productive in our current byzantine capitalist system.

    It's very easy to create actually useless jobs, jobs that presently do nothing. They definitely exist, but it's really hard to pick them out broadly because their only utility is to appear productive.

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    [+] 52 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (3 children)
  • [–] [S] 49 points 2 years ago (17 children)

    inshallah

    I genuinely believe you can make anyone who responds to this type of criticism with “OK boomer” look absolutely foolish. It’s a response that would track because the educational outlook is not looking great for today’s kids.

    My grandma recently saw a doctor who was using ChatGPT/Google to answer her questions. She told them she didn’t feel comfortable with that because these are things that her previous doctor knew and the doctor responded with “Well times change.”

    Another great reason to support China’s aUtHoRItARian regime

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    [–] 50 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    You know about 10 years ago a friend of mine was completing engineering school. They told me the basics of the program was to give you a framework so you will know what questions to ask and how to conduct an effective web search. The education was totally predicated on constant access to the internet.

    So the good news is this isn't new, the bad news is it is in line with prior culture.

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    [–] 50 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    It makes you feel like you're a 2000s teacher telling students "DON'T USE WIKIPEDIA FOR YOUR SOURCES" and being the wojak in those kids' future memes

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    [–] 42 points 2 years ago

    "The human organism always worships. First it was the gods, then it was fame (the observation and judgment of others), next it will be the self-aware systems you have built to realize truly omnipresent observation and judgment."

    "The need to be observed and understood was once satisfied by God. Now we can implement the same functionality with data-mining algorithms."

    "You will soon have your God, and you will make it with your own hands."

    The Prototype AI 'Morpheus' from Deus Ex (2001)

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  • [–] 40 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    People have very little understanding of how computers work in general, and somehow that has translated into a total misunderstanding of what AI is - an LLM is not a magic box that knows everything, it just has a very complicated opaque way of transforming information. But it is a God to people, like a magic genie in their pocket. I get it though because it is made to feel like it is magic and knowd everything.

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    [–] 38 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    currently in education, genuinely feel like putting students heads through their desks because they think my specialized knowledge can be replicated by a line of code. No I know what you don't know and that you cheated because this wasn't in the readings and when you talk it's clear you didn't even do those. People are genuinely losing what little critical thinking they had and this is a nightmare.

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  • [–] 28 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Will probably result in a population even more susceptible to propaganda.

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    [–] 33 points 2 years ago

    I didn’t expect brain drain to be a possible consequence of LLMs. Well, we shall see what we reap here in the near future I’m sure.

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  • [–] 33 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    If it's becoming a religion, I volunteer to be the Messiah if that's not taken

    You have to tithe 10% of your income to me or Roko's Basilisk will getchu

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    [–] 32 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    The second one is basically Roko's Basilisk

    Also I have a very not normal and shitty take about neurotypical supremacy being one of the reasons people have went all in on LLMs and AI

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    [–] 29 points 2 years ago

    NGL, maybe now’s my chance to go back to college. If people are going to be this much of treathogs over AI, just makes my job easier.

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  • [–] 26 points 2 years ago* (2 children)

    Sometimes I feel like I'm the crazy one. Was hanging out with one of my friends and their new boyfriend started showing off how he used chatgpt to train and find answers for his doctors degree assignments and he also bragged about how he made a script to use it for tinder. I've never used any dating sites, so maybe it is valid, but it just seems like such a disgusting way to move.

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    [–] 23 points 2 years ago

    Butlerian Jihad against thinking machines now

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  • [–] [S] 22 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    UlysessT this one’s for you

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