I wish there were 4 USB-C ports (2 on each side) but no functionality has been lost.
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This post is actually so stupid, they didn't take shit from us, it's still right there.
Nobody uses a firewire cable anymore, USB-A/B is very outdated. On my work macbook with is a M1 Macbook Pro, I have a card reader, a usb-c and an hdmi port on one side, and a headphone jack, 2 usb-c ports and magsafe power ports.
Even if there wasn't, and it was just all usb-c, you can accomplish all of the same things ports. The old macbooks only had these ports on one side and the other had like one firewire or something.
USB-C can be used to deliver audio, video, ethernet connection, etc. You didn't lose any functionality. Worst case scenario you'd need a hub for the card readers or a usb to usb-c adapter, or ethernet to usb-c.
My work provided me with a usb hub that includes usb-a/b slots, hdmi, ethernet and power, which takes a single usb-c port. They're cheap and work just fine if you really need more than 4-5 ports.
Don't take it from me though!
2024 16" macbook pro: https://support.apple.com/en-ca/121554
- Charging and Expansion
- SDXC card slot
- HDMI port
- 3.5 mm headphone jack
- MagSafe 3 port
- Three Thunderbolt 5 (USB-C) ports with support for:
- Charging
- DisplayPort
- Thunderbolt 5 (up to 120Gb/s)
- Thunderbolt 4 (up to 40Gb/s)
- USB 4 (up to 40Gb/s)
I really don't think it's that stupid. Your particular machine has a lot of ports, yeah. But there are plenty of machines out there, like the 12-inch non-pro macbook, that have ONE USB-C PORT and absolutely no other ports. That's clearly limiting. Like, you can connect it to ethernet, if you buy an additional USB-C ethernet adapter, but if you want to be able to ethernet and have it connected to power at the same time, you need to buy a special power brick that combines the two functions, because they didn't include any other ports.
Plus, there are a bunch of things that still use USB-A. I've got a bunch of old thumb drives that work like that, especially for transferring video files to my TV, which only supports USB-A itself. Wireless dongles for mice and game controllers, which still offer a latency advantage over bluetooth, tend to be USB-A as well. I've also got a wearable pulse oximeter that requires a special cable to load data, and the other end of that cable is USB-A only. Again, you can get an adapter dongle, but that's never as convenient as just having the right port in the first place.
I went a bit out of my way to get a laptop with a decent collection of ports (and it's a bit of a less portable laptop as a result, maybe more like a desktop replacement), but even it has for some reason dropped the SD card reader, which I would have used a lot. I had to get a dongle for that. And I had to get one that used USB-C in particular, because my USB-A ports are usually both filled.
Basically the selection of ports used to be something that laptops used as a point of differentiation and pride in a crowded market; but Apple managed to invert this, making the prestige marker having a slimmer laptop with as few ports as possible, and that was a dumb change. I do the the pendulum is swinging back, as with your Pro macbook, but I don't think it's unreasonable to be frustrated with the way this element of the market went in such a consumer-hostile direction for a while.
Agreed, but I do wish there were more USB - C ports
The recent macbooks are heading back in the right direction.
I think a lot of the complants come from wanting a portable computer/setup, and having a hub or a bunch of adapters takes away the portability.
I think the ideal I/O for me would be;
- Power
- 4x USBc (displayport, high speed, etc.)
- 1x USBA (flash drives are still mostly A, and if you have a wireless USB mouse, not needing an adapter or dealing with bluetooth is great)
- 3.5 headphone/mic combo jack
- Ethernet
- HDMI, at least until more monitors have USBC inputs, although having an adapter cable isn't too bad.
This is where I like framework approach with the customizable IO, but I think they need to shrink the blocks to give 6-8 ports. 4 is simply not enough, with one used up for power.
Exactly, I’m looking at these pics and don’t even have cables to fit any of these other than a USBC anymore. And I love that I can charge with a regular cable and don’t have to bring a charging brick anywhere. Just a phone charger works
Fades is either drinking Apple flavor Kool-Aid or has been fully brainwashed by apple into thinking everything is okay because a company said "you don't care, you're stuck here with us."
It's really sad how people will bootlick for any company once they bought enough products.
Hey there Mr. Debs!! You're actually one of my heroes. You led a complicated life, but I seriously admire your commitment to a meaningful social safety net for everyone.
That said, I quite dislike Apple, and have never in my life purchased one of their products for a myriad of reasons. But I do believe that Fade is factually correct in what they say. The consolidation of funtions into new ports and communication standards isn't something inherently worth railing against.
Do I think they executed that consolidation particularly well? Hell no. But let's not paint our fellow Blahaj as bootlickers for making and presenting a factually sound argument.
With love,
- a fan
Laptops from the 2010s represented a peak in design and performance, but since then, it feels like we've seen consistent downsizing and downgrades. Take the latest Intel CPUs, for instance—it's as if the marketing pitch is, 'It may not be very powerful, but at least it’s energy-efficient.' It’s almost as though manufacturers are catering to a market they perceive as indifferent, and we, as consumers, continue to accept diminishing returns while paying increasingly higher prices. This trend reflects a broader issue in life today: settling for less while being charged more.
This picture captures the essence of that realization, and it is truly heart-wrenching.
I'm by no means an apple fan boy (I only have an air) but the apple m processors are getting faster every gen. My m1 air is fast, has a nice design, great battery life, nice screen, etc. idk what else I would want in a laptop. Obviously not a cheap but it should last me a lot longer than whatever pc I would have gotten for half the price.
I don't follow the laptop industry closely though so maybe I'm being ripped off without realizing it?
I believe a significant issue with laptops, in general, lies in the ethical and environmental concerns surrounding the mining of precious metals and components, often carried out by underprivileged workers. The cost of materials and manufacturing remains low, while profit margins for companies continue to grow.
For example, Apple has experienced remarkable growth from 2010 to the present, yet laptop prices have only risen rather than decreased, despite advances in technology and economies of scale. This raises important questions about fairness and sustainability in the industry.
In a way, it feels as though we are being taken advantage of, all while maintaining a positive facade. This, of course, doesn't even address the anti-consumer practices surrounding the repair and maintenance of Apple devices.
https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/AAPL/apple/stock-price-history
I'm usually happy with increased efficiency as it represents an increase in performance in the future. Cost is something that seems much more inevitable to go down than performance is to go up, so the two metrics I look for in the state of the CPU market are peak single core performance and performance per watt. Of course, this only applies to observing the industry from outside, I'm sure if I was actually in the market for a new CPU right now I'd probably be happier with a worse performance per watt chip as long as it was cheaper.
As an IT professional, I encounter this frequently—people attempt to save money, only to end up with subpar equipment that hampers their ability to perform their work. In the end, they often lose more money than they would have saved, all because they focused on saving that small amount upfront. Cost savings are not always advantageous; it's akin to the saying, 'Saving a penny to spend a dollar'.
My current phone lacks a headphone jack and I hate it. It would be okay if it was replaced with two usb c ports, but there's only one which means I either choose between headphones or charging, or I must use an adapter. Or wireless, but I don't want yet another fucking battery to charge.
I used to be against losing the headphone jack, but now I'm without one, I honestly don't miss it.
No more wires getting caught, tangled or damaged and the sound quality is just as good unless you're an audio engineer.
You're on Lemmy, we're all audio engineers/autistic
And everyone went ahead and purchased it anyway.
Companies always chase profit, if people would stop buying shittified products companies would stop enshittifying them.
Apple has always been an appearance over function company.
i wouldnt discount the function of having four thunderbolt ports with equal capability, you can plug a charger into any of them and it's pretty common to see thunderbolt docks being used with any brand now if an abundance of ports is the goal. External SSD's can be hooked up with usb-c and most users don't need usb-A anymore. All that is really missing for the average user is HDMI in my opinion, and that requires a simple adapter if the first party dock is too expensive.
basically it's very practical for the target user,it's not lacking in function just because it's missing ports that most of its users wont care about
to be fair, the bandwidth of all the ports on the bottom laptop probably fit in 1 (maaaaybe 2? Just spitballing here) Thunderbolt 5 ports depending how fast the ethernet port is. BTW, why would you want a port that isn't reversible like USB C lol...