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[–] [email protected] 2 points 38 minutes ago

You can reconstruct the Democrat party all you want. It won't make stupid Americans smart. They'll still fall for whoever is best at peddling misinformation, fear, and hate.

The internet and media in general has been weaponized. So unless we're talking about the Democrat party learning how to go low and spread extreme misinformation and paranoia in order to win an election, then we're just wasting our time talking.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 hour ago (2 children)

Dems didn't "lose" the working class. Misinformation overshadowed the message.

There's a lot the Dems can do for unions and working-class normal folks. But Kamala could have cured cancer with a touch and they wouldn't have believed it because everything else they consume downplays the improving economy, security and stability under Biden so it was ultimately useless.

Buckets of roubles on Facebook and X won this election.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 32 minutes ago

Yup.

Everyone's crying about the Democrat party, but they're ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE better than the Republican party. Seriously, people need to stop whining and compare both party's voting history and accomplishments. It's not even a contest. Democrats get more done.

The bottom line is the majority of Americans aren't intelligent enough to navigate this new age of weaponized misinformation. That isn't Democrat's fault. All they can really do is try to weaponize misinformation to combat Republican's misinformation. And that's morally wrong. Probably the only way though.

Stupid populace. Dark future.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 42 minutes ago (1 children)

The DNC has completely abandoned the working class. It's not misinformation. They simply do not care about us.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 30 minutes ago

The DNC has completely abandoned the working class.

Maybe you should try looking up Democrat's voting history and their accomplishments for the working class before you make statements like this.

Democrats are pro union. Biden was the first president in U.S. history to stand on a picket line with striking workers.

And stupid Americans just decided to vote in the born rich billionaire that has openly stated he is anti-union and anti-worker rights. Democrats aren't the problem. Stupid Americans are.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 hours ago (3 children)

the party is hopelesslty corrupted and wont even acknowledge why they lost. Its time to dump the dems and build up a progressive party.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 44 minutes ago (1 children)

Absolutely this.

How many times are we gonna be Charlie Brown trying to kick the football before Lucy pulls the ball away?

This party isn't here for us. They do not represent our best interests. They simply care about the ruling class/ultra wealthy.

They have purposely not followed through on their campaign promises so many times. Time to dump them.

DNC isn't getting my vote anymore. Time for a new party.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 36 minutes ago

That's all well and good, if you want to lose elections for the foreseeable future.

Because it takes a long, long time to build up a new party and have it actually win federal elections.

By then we won't have elections anymore.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

That would be after FPTP voting is replaced with RCV or STAR in all 50 states. Trying a third party before those steps will hand the federal government to the GOP for the remainder of my life.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

That would be after FPTP voting is replaced with RCV or STAR in all 50 states.

If we ever get that, there will be a new "that would be after" to replace it. If Democrats want to stop Republicans and are so worried about splitting the vote, maybe Democrats should abstain from running.

They're clearly not up to the task and would rather appease fascists here and abroad.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I love how splitting the vote cost them a few seats, and your plan is to split the vote.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

That’s not necessarily the way to “build a progressive party”.

On the right-wing side think of how MAGA has overshadowed “Republican”, eating it from the inside.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Hating people is easy. Caring about them is (apparently) hard. Quicker, easier, more seductive is MAGA compared to being progressive.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 hour ago

Totally, but MAGA took decades to sprout from a Tea Party seed, or further back even.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 hour ago

How would that even work? They are doing exactly what their ~~owners~~ donors want.

Are they saying that rich people should want unions or that there needs to be other ways to fund politics?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 hours ago

Start by investigating musks money for votes scheme

[–] [email protected] 29 points 6 hours ago

We've had several elections in recent memory where it's been really clear that progressive Democrats win elections compared to centrists (mostly midterm elections but still). Somehow that lesson hasn't stuck, and I wouldn't be surprised if Harris' defeat also doesn't teach this lesson. At this point the old guard really just needs to die.

People want change, GOP is offering it and people are eating it up. They just have no idea how incredibly stupid that version of change is.

[–] bdonvr 23 points 6 hours ago (5 children)

Reconstruct?

Raize it with impunity and forge something actually good

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[–] [email protected] 96 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

I'm all for it. The Democrats have been a joke since they fucked Bernie. They're terrible and don't give a shit about their voters.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Oh, they were a joke long before that. In 2006, when we went from having a congress that rubber stamped everything Bush wanted to a congress that said they were displeased with Bush as they rubber stamped everything he wanted.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

I don't know much about the US politics before 2010, that's when I migrated to the US.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Basically anything was approved as long as it was framed as national security.

The terrorists won with 9/11

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