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It seems that over the past couple months or so, I started having and engaging in more political discussions (on account of the presidential election). When you're in that space, it feels like you need to have an opinion on every little thing. Geopolitics, taxes, financial policy, etc. How important is it to educate myself and ask questions? Do you feel that pressure to have an opinion on everything?

edit: I don't think this question is about politics, but if it is, I can delete this.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 hours ago

About pineapple pizza? Yes. About Nazis? No.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 hours ago

Don't have an opinion. Have a code of ethics and empathy. That'll dictate your opinions when they are needed

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago

I have no strong feelings either way

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago

I guess so, maybe. I don't know, whatever.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 hours ago

It's ok to not have an opinion, and also ok to be ambivalent about something.

Your time and attention are not unlimited resources.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago
[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 hours ago

I got a hell of a lot smarter when I allowed myself to not have opinions on things. Like if a friend asks me if I have heard of [thing], I am nowadays much better at saying "No, I havent, tell me more" or "I'm not sure. It sounds familiar though. Remind me?". A big part of this is being in spaces where it feels safe enough to be vulnerable in saying "I don't know".

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 hours ago

I pick my subjects based on how much I actually have a fair deal of knowledge about.

I don't dare enter discussions that's beyond my knowledge, like hardcore scientific shit.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 hours ago

It is ok to not have an opinion or not want to divulge it due to backlash. Not worth wasting your energy on people looking for a fight.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 hours ago
[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 hours ago

I think it's better to be quiet on a matter you don't understand.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 hours ago

It depends on what the opinion is on If you don't have an opinion on whether strawberry or raspberry jam makes no difference

But if it's something that affects you or people you care about (or people you should care about) and you don't form an opinion that reflects badly

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 hours ago

I'd say that if you do have an opinion and state an opinion on something, then you should also know enough to explain why.

Specifically about politics, it's scary how many people have an opinion without knowing why. Politics is also something that everyone should have an opinion on, because it affects pretty much everything, so everyone do have an interest in something political. It shouldn't be based on feelings or the charisma of the candidate or group pressure. It should be based on what affects you and how you'd want it done.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 13 hours ago

I mean, it's okay to not have positions on a lot of things. People tend to get upset if the position you're dithering over is whether they or their loved ones deserve to live or have equal human rights. Most other things, honorable people may differ.

How important is it to educate yourself and ask questions?

Very. Everything is political, and ignorance about politics is a luxury. It allows others to make decisions for you, often ones you wouldn't choose yourself.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 15 hours ago

Of course, it’s okay. Being able to say “I don’t know” is a sign of intelligence in itself.

A huge number of people form opinions based on very limited knowledge, but these opinions then become part of their identity, and they feel compelled to defend them tooth and nail. I think the middle ground here is the idea of “strong opinions, loosely held,” meaning you have an opinion, but you understand it’s based on the best knowledge available at the time. You leave room for new information and allow your opinion to evolve. In fact, most opinions probably should be like that. There are very few views I hold that I feel are almost guaranteed not to change.

The Dunning-Kruger effect plays a big role here. When someone gains a moderate amount of knowledge on a subject, they often feel like they have a good understanding of it. But as they keep learning, they realize just how little they actually know. Uninformed people, by contrast, don’t know what they don’t know. These are the ones who write comments on social media pretending they’ve solved complex issues with simplistic solutions like “just do X,” while completely ignoring all the nuance. When you then try to introduce that nuance, they dig their heels in, taking it as a personal attack rather than a critique of their idea. This happens because they didn’t leave room for new information - they locked in their opinion, made it part of their identity, and threw away the key.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 hours ago

Having an opinion about everything is a sign of extreme hubris. Most people have no knowledge about most of things (lacking education and experience in most of the areas) yet many feel like experts in macroeconomy, geopolitics, social topics, culture - anything and everything.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 14 hours ago

Polite society - "Never, ever discuss politics or religion. Thinking that you can change someone's mind on either of these subjects is foolish and arrogant and the conversation will always, without fail, end in an argument"

Americans for some fucking reason - "Hold my high fructose corn syrup"

[–] [email protected] 8 points 15 hours ago

Can I have your opinion on the weather on Raxacoricofallapatorians right now?

  • You've never heard of it? Absolutely fair that you don't have an opinion then.
  • You don't care? Also fair not to have an opinion.
  • You haven't bothered to stay up to date with Slitheen weather politics? Fair, no need to have an opinion.
  • You just don't want to form an opinion, just cuz? Yep, fair, no opinion it is.

Heck, you can have an opinion and just go "fuck it, no I am not sharing it". That's also fine.

[–] [email protected] 77 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

Yes, not having an option on something is fine. when people push you can always whip out "I don't know enough about the topic to have an opinion."

[–] [email protected] 20 points 22 hours ago

And if you want to fuck with conspiracy wackos you add "So I would just refer to experts on the subject if I wanted to learn about it."

[–] [email protected] 13 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Also an excellent way to end conversation about a controversial topic when needed.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 20 hours ago

Yeah, I don't know about that- that could definitely seem like an invitation to " explain" it to you

[–] [email protected] 31 points 20 hours ago

Not having an opinion is MUCH better than sticking to an uninformed opinion with stubborn fervor. Nobody can possibly know everything, so it’s perfectly fine to take time out to research something, or decide that it’s not worth your time and forget about it completely.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 17 hours ago

I have a hell of a lot of respect for people who are forthright and just say "You know, I don't have a lot of experience regarding , so I don't think I can weigh in on that"

it amazes me how seldom people are brave enough to admit they don't know something.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 23 hours ago

I would say it's better to not have an opinion than to have an uninformed opinion.

Like a kid who has a strong opinion on a food that they've never tried. How can you know you don't like something if you never tried it? Sure.

You could look at the ingredients and if you don't like anything that goes in it you can assume that you wouldn't like the end product, but at least some thought went into at that point.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I don’t have an opinion about this.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 21 hours ago

Me neither!

[–] [email protected] 17 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

"I don't know enough to have an informed opinion about this" is an admirable stance to take.

When it's a cop-out for not wanting to be politically informed, it's a crappy place to be. It can sound a lot like "I don't know and I don't care".

[–] [email protected] 5 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

I’ve often said that in order to redirect a conversation because I don’t like the opinion of the person I’m talking to and not because I’m actually ignorant about the subject.

This happens at work mostly, and I can’t just nuke that bridge with the person because we have to keep being able to work together. I’d like to tell them off for being ignorantly intolerant, but instead it’s more effective to just take away their enthusiasm for whatever they’re talking about. Do it enough times and they’ll eventually find someone else to bother.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

That can backfire and then you get a retarTed Talk about how their viewpoint is the right one.

I just say "Bless your heart." and walk away. Works best when talking to northerners because they don't know what that means.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 16 hours ago

I’m in South Carolina, so that wouldn’t work so well here since everyone already knows what that means. I do agree that not giving them the opening to elaborate is key.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 16 hours ago

short answer: yes

long answer: opinions are kind of a privilege. if you're someone working 9 to 5 you probably couldn't give a shit about anything other than relaxing and winding down from the stress of a work week. if you're someone who manages to still be involved, congrats. pushing this unto other people imo is not fair. ideally people would work less and have more free time to get situated with how their surroundings are being legislated

[–] [email protected] 20 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

It depends. Of course it's fine to have no opinion about, say, which sports team should win the big game, because that doesn't matter. And even on bigger issues like fiscal policy, it's okay to just admit you don't know enough about a complicated subject to have an informed opinion. While I do think it's important to educate yourself as much as you can, no one can reasonably learn everything about everything in order to have all of the right opinions all of the time.

But some issues are both important and clear cut. Like, if someone says they have "no opinion" on whether LGBTQ people deserve equal rights... no, no I will not accept "no opinion" as an answer here. You don't need to read mountains of theory to disavow bigotry, and if anyone tries to give an excuse for why they won't, I'll consider that complicit.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago

I think it boils down to "No opinion" not meaning "no consequences" or "no responsibility".

[–] [email protected] 7 points 18 hours ago

Deciding to ignore something that causes people to suffer because it doesn't affect you is wrong. Not having a set opinion on how to fix it is perfectly normal. Not everyone can understand the details enough to form an informed opinion. Just don't decide something isn't a problem because one group says it's not without real evidence, especially if they're the ones who created and/or benefit from the problem.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

So this is interesting... My favorite of the definitions of "opinion" I found is

belief stronger than impression and less strong than positive knowledge

Because I was about to say that it's impossible not to have an opinion, which might not be entirely correct.

In DBT we were told that there are helpful, consequential and inconsequential ehm... evaluations? Assessments? Judgments? I don't know the exact translation. Anyway, an important thing I realized then was that opinions/values etc are not something you form consciously, they just kinda pop up in your head and change shapes depending on what you learn and experience. You are able to detach from your opinions, look at them from the outside.

edit: so what I ultimately wanted to tell you is that you can do this detachment thing with other people's opinions as well.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 20 hours ago

I would argue that if you recognize you lack the knowledge to form an opinion, you’re doing better than 90% of people online.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 21 hours ago
[–] [email protected] 13 points 23 hours ago

Sometimes it's also, is it really important to know? A lot of things I have complicated opinions of because things are nuanced and complicated in the real world, so for example even if you ask me it's not like I can just be for or against Israel or whatever. And I certainly don't feel like going over it again and again and again as people keep asking about random topics.

I swear americans have this weird thing where everyone needs to have a strong opinion on every topic all the time, and talk about it all the time so they can sus out if you're leaning democrat or republican. It's so weird. I'm not even american, I can't do anything about it! I'll keep my opinions where they belong, in my head, thank you.

It's important to be educated about those topics but I don't feel the need to make it my entire personnality, unlike some people. I have better things to do that actually brings me joy rather than doom and gloom over things I can't do anything about.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

Certain things are OK to not have a political opinion on. Example: Taxes are complicated and most people don't understand them; most probably want to pay less of them but do not really need to put their limited political energy to focusing on them.
That applies to most nonpolitical subjects too... most things to have an opinion on like food, movies, music whatever, are generally of little consequence.

Things that affect the base existence of large swaths of the population, aka human rights, are not something a living citizen can admit a "don't care" opinion on. You either want to live free or you don't, and having no opinion on such is how you end up without the legal right to any opinions..

The key to both is to have a complete information stream before forming any opinion or comitting to not having one. I do a nonzero amount of research even before writing a lot of comments here on Lemmy to make sure my facts are straight, and maybe 40% of the time discover it's either not worth my time to write, or I was initially wrong and my comment shouldn't be made.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 20 hours ago

On something, yeah. On everything? No.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 20 hours ago

I don’t care whether it’s OK or not

[–] [email protected] 5 points 20 hours ago

It's fine to not have an opinion as long as you aren't making a decision based on that ignorance

[–] [email protected] 3 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

Everyone thinks they need an opinion on everything until they order a sub from Subway and the server asks if they want 25 or 26 sesame seeds on their buns.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 18 hours ago

25, I wouldn't notice the difference but it is more eco friendly.

Or 26, because if I don't pay extra for the 26th seed, it would be economically irresponsible for me not to take the free sesame seed.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 22 hours ago

Yes. I think it's good not to form opinions about subjects you don't know much about.

When it comes to voting in an election, it's possible to make good decisions about candidates without forming opinions about every policy issue. That's kind of the point of representative democracy.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 23 hours ago

Context really matters I don't have an opinion on a lot of sports due to disinterest while other people make their opinions on sports their personality. But there are some things that people should have opinions on even if that opinion is 'leave it to the experts'.

Having an opinion that is terrible might be worse than not having an opinion at all. For example, not having an opinion about other races would be better than having racist opinions.

I think what you are really asking is if people should have opinions about the things that affect them. Yes, they should have opinions about those things.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 21 hours ago

I think it depends on what you may or may not have an opinion about.

Extreme example: if you don't have an opinion about nazis, you might be a nazi

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