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Summary

Many Democrats, especially women, expressed disillusionment and frustration online, viewing the result as a reflection of deep-seated misogyny in the U.S.

Harris supporters highlighted anger that a “felony convicted, twice-impeached” Trump prevailed over a female candidate.

Comparisons to Hillary Clinton’s 2016 loss resurfaced, with many attributing Trump’s win to targeted appeals to young men, including appearances with influencers like Joe Rogan.

The election outcome has intensified concerns over growing right-wing radicalization among young men.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 minutes ago

Join the crowd ladies. Their hate is very wide.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

Women should just fucking leave their Trump voting husband/boyfriend and should go no contact with their Trump loving fathers, brothers and sons. Seriously if the men don’t stand behind their women why should these women even support their men.

Go let them wallow in misery. And let them fight over the remaining nut job women who voted for Trump. The Trump male to Trump female ratio doesn’t favor these men in the dating scene.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago

These men who are meant to be protectors of the women in their lives have committed the ultimate betrayal of selling them out as slaves. What vile creatures. How could anyone stand to be in the same room as a man who did that to you. That would make me sick to my core.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 hour ago

They don't value women enough to consider that a loss.

For them, all of the smart women shutting up or leaving is probably beneficial.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 hours ago

It's not "just" that, but it was the deciding factor that made this all moot from the start.

The people who voted for trump are, in their DNA, at their core, bigoted cowards that wouldn't have been swayed by anything else - She has a vagina and she's black - That's all it was ever going to be.

" I was this close, Bill... I just wanted more policy details... More time... If only they didn't make me vote for trump".

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 hour ago

That is the correct conclusion...

[–] [email protected] 81 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (15 children)

I don't think that way, personally.

I think that America is just dumb af. Every stance Republican Voters claim to care about: Trump performs worse on. But they were told he was their guy by Facebook, TikTok, YouTube, Twitter, etc. Money won the race.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 14 minutes ago

They think right of progressives makes them Republican. When it really just makes them a liberal.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

I think this is basically it. Americans are stupid, immoral people.

They put a proven rapist, convicted felon, and fascist in the White House after he killed a million Americans with Covid and openly talked about deploying the military on our fellow citizens.

Americans are, without a doubt, some of the shittiest people on the planet.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago

It's what decades of intentional suppression of education paired with propaganda will do to people.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 hours ago

The bar probably does go lower than you think for humanity, but yeah we might be approaching all new lows.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 9 hours ago (5 children)

Don’t underestimate misogyny / bro culture in the US. Combine that with machismo in some subcultures and the weird religious beliefs that women should be subservient and at home making babies and we’ll never see a female president at this rate.

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 10 hours ago (4 children)

Honestly, I feel we have a huge disinformation problem. A war really where billionaires, Russia, Iran,and China are on one side and we're on the other. They treat it like a war while we treat it like a small infestation. So many Republicans I speak with bring up reason why they support trump that are reasonable: Better economy, Protecting children, protecting rights, protecting jobs, reducing crime.in a vacuum, cool candidate. Except that many of the strategies he utilize to accomplish those goals seems illegal or unhelpful. Even worse, who cares if he could and would accomplish those goals, He tried to overthrow the government. Yet all the Republicans I know view that as untrue. Mainly in the form of, "I don't hear about it much, so it's either fake news,or not really a coup"

Why? Because they get their news from faux news and social media that have focused on keeping those negative aspects of him buried. And both of those things have huge reach.they are the eyes and ears of these voters, how can they not believe their eyes and ears that tell them that Trump is great?

Until that problem is dealt with, we can't have an informed population that votes. Instead we will have a large group of uninformed voters. It's not their fault, they're just some of the first casualties in this disinformation war.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

“So many Republicans I speak with bring up reason why they support trump that are reasonable: Better economy, Protecting children, protecting rights, protecting jobs, reducing crime”

Except Trump has done none of these things. These people are lying to you, and probably to themselves.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 9 hours ago (5 children)

I saved a comment from u/allmhuran posted to r/news on 2016-06-24:

"Australia has had five prime ministers in five years, the poor yanks look as though they'll have to choose between two options both of which have more disapproval than approval, and the UK leaves the EU. It seems like a ridiculous amount of instability. One might even call it absurd.

But it's not surprising.

You can't feed a society exaggeration, hyperbole and propaganda for over a decade, and then claim surprise when people don't seem to be making rational decisions on the basis of well established truth.

There's a cost associated with not telling the truth. There's a cost associated with polarized, adversarial public discourse. There's a cost associated with media more concerned with profits than the public interest.

It is, apparently, time to pay the piper."

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 hours ago

I think education is a factor here as well. People collectively seemed to have started just taking any sources word as objective truth with no rationalisation or justification. The fact we now have google forcing ai answers onto people that are factually wrong or unreliable and most just don't question it is emblematic of the problem. People lack critical thinking now.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 9 hours ago

There’s a cost associated with media more concerned with profits than the public interest.

Media: good thing we're not the ones paying the price! Continue current heading, profits ho!

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 hours ago (10 children)

It's really beyond time for this sort of disinformation to fuck off.

Harris lost because she's a neoliberal, full stop. Scapegoating it as sexism means you learned fucking nothing and will only keep losing.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

If you think sexism wasn't a significant part of this, I don't know what to tell you. Of course it was. Biden wasn't better than her in any way and he won against Trump. Despite the fact that practically no one was excited to vote for him. It's baffling you're even questioning this.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago) (2 children)

Biden wasn't better, Trump's issues were just more in the forefront of people's minds. They asked themselves "do I want more of this" and said no. Since then there have been rose colored glasses that make people think he was good for the economy and they've forgotten the chaos. And now the "do I want more of this" question is moving against the Democrats and a candidate that was reticent to truly separate herself from "this".

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Anyone who wasn't fully aware that Trump is the worst candidate ever... Is to dumb to have made it to a polling station.

They all wanted a rapist in the White House.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 hours ago

Is to dumb to have made it to a polling station

I agree with you, but can't pass up calling out the irony here.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 hours ago

Not really what happened. Trump kept basically the same voters. As has been pointed out 5000 times, this election was lost because millions of Democratic voters stayed home. One of the primary reasons, which is slapping us in the face, is her gender. There simply isn't a world where sexism exists where this wouldn't have played a not-small role.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (3 children)

Whether sexism was an important part of it or not isn't the point.

The point is that if we allow that statement to pass unchallenged, it will take over the narrative, none of the necessary reforms will happen, and the world will continue to get worse.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

Any sane adult should have beat Trump. He won because 72 million Americans want fascism.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 7 hours ago

no, he won because 20 million Americans played chicken in Americas only car and we fucking lost.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 hours ago (13 children)

Misogyny is an easy excuse that doesn't question the effectiveness of any of the politicians or consultants involved in the race. People forget that Biden only barely won what should have been an easy race. Now the difference between losing and barely winning is a big deal, but they all ran pretty similar campaigns trying to get the "good Republicans" while neglecting their base. Maybe Biden's shriveled dick was the difference to get him to barely squeak past Trump while a woman wouldn't, but none of these races should have been close. There's a much bigger problem at play than "just don't run women because too sexist".

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 11 hours ago

Women, immigrants, racial minorities in general, LGBTQ people, muslims, the poor, themselves, it's pretty much everyone at this point.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 11 hours ago (4 children)

I actually concluded that and that the Democrats have no fucking clue who their fucken base is. Jfc. They should all just register as Republicans if they want to keep moving right like this.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

I'm certain thier base is whomever votes at this point. If the GOP dissappear tomorrow, I'm concerned they would start putting up nazi flags.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Democrats don't really have a base. It's not progressives, if that's what you're thinking, we don't have the numbers for that kind of sway. You can see this clearly in how many House seats we hold.

If there is any base to dems, its white collar suburban soccer moms. But it's not actually that either, they're just one of the biggest segments.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Exactly; “Democrats” are the party of the “not Republicans”. With how far right the Overton window has shifted, that covers a LOT of the political spectrum, much of which is in opposition.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

And yet, the Overton window isn't wide enough to fight a tiny slice of window, which is "far right fascists"

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