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Comic treat writer suddenly learns that Americans can be bad (hexbear.net)

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I like Waid as a writer but holy shit this woe is me she is disgusting

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Always funny to see white liberals come to terms with what their neighbors believe.

My girlfriend works with somebody who's personal email has 1488 in it. Whrn called on it the girl was like "yea its exactly what it looks like" Me explaining to her that person was a literal neo nazi, just like half the people she graduated with that she keeps insisting aren't that bad, has been frustrating.

One of her girlfriends is a pediatric nurse that tried to get a religious exemption for the vaccines (she is not religious at all)

I'm just hoping we get to the point she stops calling me a misogynist if I say kamala was a dog shit candidate and the dnc failed us.

I think I finally broke through last night when she was like "how could they vote for trump when they have daughters" and I just kept reiterating they hate minorities and the concept of trans people more than they care about their own children.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 months ago (2 children)

American Fash also tend to believe without any awareness that they're "Good people" and consequences only happen to "Bad people". They often express shock, confusion, and outrage when, for instance, they are denied an abortion because they think that as "good people" they deserve it. Is there anything resembling rational analysis here? No. But that's what they think and it goes a long way to explain why they'll vote for things that will harm them; They believe those things will only harm their enemies.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Obviously there's a long and integral dynamic of 'good in-group / bad out-group', but I'm convinced its further exacerbated in the US by the so thoroughly intertwined Christian aspect, particularly the WASPy say the right things, give the church money, and do what you like types to still be righteous.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yeah. Fucking secular Calvinism is a huge obstacle. Catholics and I think Greek Orthodox both believe in good works whereas Calvinists think that good or bad is like a permanent thing you're born with, then they go on to be completely incoherent by believing that your material wealth reflects your spiritual condition. And Americans have no idea they do it, it's baked in to their racism and contempt for poor people and they have no idea it's a religious belief.

Like, historians always talk about how we can't understand the way that pre-secular society was completely organically integrated with religion, and we can't understand how peoiple made no distinction between daily life and religious life and it's like no, brah, you've got religious beliefs that you live every moment of the day just like 12th century peasants, but like 12th century peasants you just think those things are compeltely normal and mundane and don't even notice them.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

Yes, exactly. Calvinism was the term I was reaching for, thank you. Now was he the tiger or the spikey haired lad? I kid, I kid.

Like so much about American Christianity I find it to be such a bizarre inversion of the dynamics of more traditional religiosity. Rather than living a moral (and largely uncomplaining, obidient) life for the promise of eternal happiness in the next life, the American religious or quasi-religious seems to basically say 'Live whatever hedonistic, selfish, piece of shit life you want! You're still going to heaven so long as your monthly subscription doesn't lapse!'

Maybe it just seems particularly bizarre to me as someone who partially grew up in a modern Quaker tradition (with guardians finding that after basically fleeing / drifting from other Christian faiths), which also has a loose, almost anarchist, interpretist approach to faith but does so in a way where the focus is upon thoughfulness, solidarity, and communication. The Calvinst streak seems like a bizarre inversion that screams, No requirements. Don't think about it. Money down.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

They think by supporting the fasch they're part of the ingroup the law serves, not the outgroup criminals the law punishes.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 months ago (1 children)

superheroes, well known for only operating in societies where everyone is fundamentally good

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

And likes them.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 3 months ago

These people are so divorced from reality it's wild. Americans remain the most brainwashed people in the world.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 months ago

The Protestantism in American Liberalism constantly shows itself. A belief in "goodness" that is totally internal to people and somehow supposed to transcend our material reality.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Basic goodness was shown in syria, yemen, iraq, Afghanistan, libya, etc?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 months ago

But you don't understand, he meant basic goodness towards people

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 months ago (2 children)

That tracks. American super-hero comics are chained to the status quo and are never allowed to break it or dream of anything other than liberalism for all eternity.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

It's actually pretty sad because the genre has potential to be extremely political as we've seen with shows like The Boys and I'm a Virgo tho I think the Boys is too mired in liberalism and US domestic politics to actually do what a better show could do

The fundamental difference between a superhero and a supervillain isn't inherently ideological but societal, this however will inevitably reflect the ideology of society

To be a hero in amerikkka or in isntrael or in germany-cool is to be fascist or at least liberal and capitalist

To be a hero in some-controversy or in USSR is to be a socialist and progressive

Those who are viewed as heros by one society or ideology will inevitably be seen a villain by another and there can be microcosms within these societies where divisions occur, liberals and conservatives within amerikkka will have their own heros and will view the other side's heros as their villains because this is how politics and society works

Those of us comrades living in amerikkka are (by comic book superhero definition) villains in this society but the moment the revolution is successful we become heros

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I had a concept for a super-hero comic hwere the hero wasn't one person, but rather a sort of spirit of class consciousness that would fall on a group of people all at once and they'd sort of just realize that they all had the same needs and goals and temporarily become really organized for as long as they needed to be, then it'd pass and everyone would be like "What the fuck just happened?" and they'd have dismantled a police station or somethinmg.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Captain Planet?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

Definitely in that vein. Regular people coming together to be mighty

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Oh my god its fukuyama fanfic all the way down. That fucker wrote maybe the only book with more of it than the bible.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago

NOT THE SUPERHEROES!!!!!! ANYONE BUT THE SUPERHEROES. WE NEED THEM MORE NOW THAN EVER!!!

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago

Captain America isn't a documentary?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago

first-time

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Very cool how every WASP liberal in america has suddenly become two steps away from posting slammer memes and speaking in maoist standard english

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Nah they're going to come up with some god awful Fascism with Democrat Characteristics if we can't find some way to infect them. They have no idea how anything works, they think Communism and Fascism are the same thing and now that "Democracy" is failed a lot of them think Fascism is the only option so they're oging to turn inward in despair, or try to invent their own fascism to compete with Trumpist fascism.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago

Fascist Standard English is indistinguishable from Maoist Standard English except that the tones are reversed.

MSE: Amerikkka (derogatory)
FSE: Amerikkka (laudatory)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

Lol so that means either outright racism or Communism-nationalism.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 months ago

“I cannot write superheroes” was such a funny curveball to me lmao this is indistinguishable from a bit

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I’m on and off with Mark Waid’s stuff. Age of Apocalypse was stupid and Onslaught (a fusion of Magneto and Charles Xavier) sounds like the creation of a kindergarten kid.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Both his Daredevil runs are good, and his Flash stuff is fun

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I liked his Flash stuff as well. Don’t think I’ve read any of his Daredevil work

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

I read all of his second era of his second Daredevil run, the return to San Francisco stuff and it is really good. Totally breaks from usual Daredevil with him forcing himself to be happy and having no secret identity so he wears a red suit as a lawyer and DD. It digs into the self-immiseration element particularly when Purple Man's kids show up as villains and try to drag out the old Daredevil in him.

Chris Samnee draws the whole run and is just perfect

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

Art from adversity, you hack.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

Gonna tell my boss, "Hey sorry if I'm really shit at my job now it's because of uhhhhh election"

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

What a drama llama.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

Get a load of this dipshit, believing in the basic goodness of anyone