Bernie starting a labor party?
this post was submitted on 06 Nov 2024
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Where was this months ago!?!?
If they are going to ram through protectionist type tarrifs and similar laws they should just make it federal law that US Pharma companies legally can't sell drugs to any other nations health system for a penny less than what they charge any uninsured US citizen. We currently are in effect subsidizing systems like Canada or Britain's NHS. The companies use our framework to develop and bring drugs to market, charge the US citizen (or their Rx plan) full freight while other systems get a negotiated lower price. Canadians and Brits should be defraying the development cost of expensive drugs by the US, rather than simply benefiting from them.
They didn't learn when Hillary did it, they squeaked by with Biden because nobody could stomach another 4 years of orange man, and they shit the bed in entirely the same way with Harris. They'll keep the same quislings in control, propping up the Republican monarchists and throw a bunch more elections to make sure there's a supermajority the next go around to get some real work done for the fascists. This is the way.
Well the Democratic Party learn their lesson? No.
Narrator voice record scratch ...... They didn't learn.
The xenophobic finger-pointing continues.
They need to be abandoned in order for us to move forward.
all out war against the Palestinian people
Say the 'g' word - genocide, you king cuck coward
There needs to be a purge within the Party. These corporate freaks and consultants and their pet politicians must be expelled from the Party. Democrats can't allow them to call the shots anymore.
That's like reforming the Nazi party, by the time you've fixed the Democratic party you'll have changed everything about it.
How do you purge 95% of a party and all of its power brokers and backers without just building a new party? It's not like the capitalists came in and hijacked it, they were always one half of the American single-party state.
No. The Democratic party deserves extinction. Can't say who or what would replace them, but they're dead.
Lol, Americans.
Wasn't it the Republican party that needed to be destroyed last cycle in your allowed thought-hamster wheel? I wonder what it'll be next cycle.
Maybe time to expand your solutions beyond that?
Despair is typical of those who do not understand the causes of evil, see no way out, and are incapable of struggle.
-Vladimir Lenin
The Dems are failures, plain and simple, but there is a path forward that doesn't involve them. It is the number 1 duty of leftists to get organized, and read theory. I can provide an intro list to Marxism if you want, but Blackshirts and Reds is an excellent primer. It helps us understand what fascism is, who it serves, where it comes from, and how we can banish it forever.
Part of the problem with this approach is that it assumes people aren't already educated about what they want or their best interests.
Given the numbers now compared to 2020, I think it's clear the American people just want fascism.
Being able to define and demonstrate what fascism is doesn't help if most people are like "Cool yeah I want that".
Vote in your down ballot primaries, and volunteer hard to get progressives in. People in those state/local offices often tend to move upwards in the party
Consider also running for office yourself https://runforsomething.net/
Populism clearly wins elections, which is why the Democrats would shun a platform like this
Why win elections when you can lose elections and have your policies implemented anyway?
Oh fuck right off Bernie. You solidified yourself as one of their satellites when you went down without a fight after super tuesday 2020. I remember you standing side by side with them lying to us about Gaza just fucking weeks ago. Retire. All the good that could come out of you is tapped.
Unfortunately, I don't think any of this bothers them. As long as politics is controlled by money, this is the ultimate destination for any major political party.
If Bernie Sanders and Jon Stewart run in 2028, we might have a chance to install people that would actually attempt to remove blatant bribery from politics. Otherwise, this is it.
Bernie's gonna be in his 90s by then. He won't run and I won't blame him.
Dude litterally spent his entire life trying to help us. We consistently turned him down. He did all he could, the blame is not with him.
Despair is typical of those who do not understand the causes of evil, see no way out, and are incapable of struggle.
-Vladimir Lenin
Bernie and Jon Stewart will be too old by then. More than that, ceding defeat without fighting to begin with is the height of foolishness. It is the number 1 duty of leftists to get organized, and read theory. I can provide an intro list to Marxism if you want, but Blackshirts and Reds is an excellent primer. It helps us understand what fascism is, who it serves, where it comes from, and how we can banish it forever.
Jon Stewart is not that old. He's only 61.
That's still above retirement age, he shouldn't have to run, nor am I in the mindset that he would be enough to course correct.
Obviously he shouldn't have to run, but he's not remotely too old. He's sharp, has experience dealing with the political system (and succeeding), is extremely knowledgeable and insightful about the state of society, etc.
He doesn't want to be a politician, though, so it's a moot point.
This might be the last chance if even there is one. No centrist Democrat should ever be looked at again until this is corrected.
The Democrats are incapable of moving left, they draw their resources and legitimacy from their donors.
No, fuck no. Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory is like, their whole deal.
Marx and Lenin are vindicated every time the dems fumble what was supposed to be an easy election.
In the coming weeks and months those of us concerned about grassroots democracy and economic justice need to have some very serious political discussions.
Fucking tell them Bernie. Too many people are still in denial about the truth of that happened in this election. Hint: It's not Americans hating women. It's not Americans hating black people. It's not Harris being handed an impossible situation. It's not whatever excuse you came up with or heard (seriously why do people feel the need to make excuses for political candidates' failure).
They always will fail, they serve the same donors and bourgeois powers as the republicans. That's why they threw away their voterbase and catered with Liz Cheney. Marx and Lenin are vindicated by the passage of time. They were not clairvoyant, they just accurately analyzed the systems around them and saw what necessarily follows from their directions.
Everyone, get organized, read theory, learn self-defense and self-sufficiency. A good primer is Blackshirts and Reds. Defend yourselves and protect each other. I can provide an intro list to Marxism if anyone wants to read up on theory.
no no they will not
kinda doubt they care overmuch as theyre making money either way
Betteridge's Law says they won't
I'm fucking tuned Bernie.
We need a revolution, the democrats are a failure.
Where the fuck was this version of Sanders for the last 8 fucking years.
Present and speaking similarly.
Too true. Listening to Sanders from the 80s is the same as listening to him today. It's shocking how little his views and rhetoric have changed while being absolutely correct from the beginning.
Was gonna say. Standing up for folks, yelling at the same empty room he's been yelling at for 40 years. Dude is nothing if not consistent. If anything Bernie has moved to the right in the last 4 decades, and he's still the left most politician we have
There's C-Span videos online of him doing interviews before he became a US senator, and it's interesting how the problems then are still relatable now. We've gotten better at kicking cans down roads and blaming each other instead of tackling the issues head on.
Honestly kudos to the man for standing up for his beliefs in the face of overwhelming American stupidity for this long. I'd have definitely folded.
So, I'm supposed to believe that working class people care about policy and that's why they abandoned Democrats.
And because they care so much about pro-worker policy they voted for Trump?
Working class people generally care that their rent and groceries doubled in five years without raises to cover the difference, yes. If you can't provide an answer to those problems as the incumbents, then it's hardly shocking when no one shows up to vote for you.
Half the country doesn't vote at all.
No one went to trump, dingus, he got the same amount of voters that he did last time. People chose to stay home over voting for either.
Of course not, it's not about policy, it's about vibes. MAGA wraps itself in the false appearance of populism. The Democratic party generally speaking is very institutionalist and makes no attempt to cater to such attitudes whatsoever in its campaigning.
I think his argument is not about vibes, though.