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HSBC UK banning KDE Connect from F-Droid, and non whitelisted keyboards (lemmy.ml)

submitted 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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At somepoint, HSBC decided KDE Connect installed via F-Droid is less secure.

Photo of the HSBC UK app urging I install KDE Connect via GPlay or Galaxy Store

Then it decide non-whitelisted keyborads are a security risk. Only Gboard and Samsung Keyboard is confirmed within the whitelist.

Photo of the HSBC UK app telling me to switch input method citing security risk

I understand the point that risk can be introduce at various points, yet this is simply too much. Yeah there are people phone infected by malware but from Play Store. Not a single time I heard one ever happened on F-Droid distributed apps, at least not from the official repo. Also, I will put more trust on an open source keyboard than any proprietary keyboard.

Furthermore, I'm shocked that an app can read my app list, and current keyboard (introduced in Android 14). This just make building a profile much easier as I belive everyone almost have an unique set of apps they like. I don't think any apps need such functionality. Why the f it needs to care what input devices I uses? This make me worry more about untold (aka burried deep in Privacy Policy) data collection.

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 month ago (5 children)

We seriously need a way to sandbox apps, where they cant see shit outside their sandbox

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago

https://f-droid.org/packages/com.oasisfeng.island.fdroid/

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

Afaik that's how the corporate apps stuff works, I byod (I really should have a second phone) and the work stuff is totally on its own, uses a different keyboard, opens a different browser uses a different authenticator etc.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

If only we had that

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Isn't that the purpose of the work profile?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

Also a way to spoof the input.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 month ago (1 children)

And then i complained that my bank blocked access if adb was enabled...

If there's no loan attached to that account, for me this message reads "sorry, we don't want you as a customer. Please contact a bank teller to have a full refund, uninstall this app and don't forget to leave a 1 star review"

I'm not willing to compromise on this shit. My phone is my phone.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Imagine one of my medical apps refusing to run because of adb..

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

My medical app doesn't let me take a screenshot of the bill statement when I wanted to contest an upcharge.

luckily there was still an option to download a pdf, but still there was no option at all to disable that BS.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

That's wack as hell.

In my case, Medtronic does a lot to prevent inspection of how their apks work at all, encrypting and obfuscating the code to make open-source emulation extremely difficult.

Luckily, hackers don't quit.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Time to change banks

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago (1 children)

money laundering is alright but how dare they impose gboard to their clients

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

Unironically this

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Sounds like it's time to use the website and not the app. And if you can't use the website instead of an app, you should probably switch banks.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I don't know a single bank that hasn't reinvented the wheel and is using their app as a glorified authentication app for generating totp codes

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

Mine actually. I'm in the United States, but I actually switched banks. And the vast majority of the reason I did so was because my bank did not allow me to use the website to use their functionality. And so I said fuck you and left them.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago (2 children)

how the fuck do they see that you have these apps?? Wasn't it google's justification for destroying /proc and all resource monitor apps with it that they have put querying of installed apps behind a permission?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I saw a bank in my country requiring to have the permission for apps usage, the one that you have to go in settings and toggle it. Refuse and it closes the app

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Perhaps you could report it to Google Play for that?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Google enforces rules only against small devs. Big companies are allowed to do what the fuck they want.

Example with one of those "ad viewing apps disguised as games", every single screenshot is misleading, showing a different game to what actually will be downloaded. It's clearly a violation of Google Play terms that read:

Screenshots must demonstrate the actual in-app or in-game experience, focusing on the core features and content so users can anticipate what the app or game experience will be like. Use captured footage of the app or game itself.

In the example not a single screenshot demonstrate the actual game experience.

Google sees the big cash influx from ad impressions and IAP from whales and is closing all the eyes

Tencent and Alibaba instead are still allowed to illegally fingerprint and track the user by placing tracking data in /Pictures/.gs_fs0 which for some reason they can access even without storage/photo permission

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

So /proc is virtual so it is only processes and not apps.

The app probably requires a permission that grants it access to that information.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

all apps have their own processes, and the names of the processes were often the package name

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago

You need to formally complain to your bank, OP.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 month ago

I thought this was for employees of the bank on the work phone.

If my bank does this, they can kiss goodbye my $254.21.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago

They are now blocking you because you are not using gboard and sam keyboard. Now it's too much . I stopped using mobile banking became they need g play services.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

That's annoying! I'm using Graphene and I just installed KDE Connect from F-Droid to test, which didn't trigger, however it did bounce me for using Heliboard. Changing to default keyboard and reloading worked, ie it can only see my currently active one.

Using Shelter to set up a second profile, or the new Private Space feature on 15 may help provide isolation.

Halifax/ Bank of Scotland/ Lloyds does an integrity check that rejects Graphene or LineageOS phones completely.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Check out Shelter by PeterCxy [FDroid - Source]
It uses Android's native work-profile feature to create a separate space for the apps you choose, so you could install the HSBC app there and it wouldn't be able to see anything outside its little bubble.
The downside is that AFAIK you cannot have multiple work profiles on the same phone, so if you have a MDM solution from work already installed like Intune you won't be able to use this, and given how draconian this app is, it might refuse to run if it detects its inside one. Worth a shot though.

This is the type of shit that has me losing faith in Android.
They added a fuck ton of restrictions on Clipboard Access because 'Privacy,' yet this clear privacy violation (with 0 use cases!!!) is still here.

You'd think that they'd create a permission you can toggle at will since they care about protecting you so much right?
Nope. Google's the one who decides who gets to use this capability and your wishes as a user can go to hell.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

Unfortunately, the work profile is already used up.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

With recent releases CorePatch can spoof app source, but it won't help with keyboard whitelist.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 month ago

There is also Hide My Applist xposed module for rooted phones.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

Graphene and starling, works great