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I've just been reading about how in the future, AI will allow us to speak with animals, and people will be able to communicate telepathically and live in their own VR worlds. (etc., etc.)

Man, this isn't a world I want to live in. I'm so tired of the constant paradigm shifting that you have to put your brain through with each innovation. I wish technology just stayed frozen in the 1980s – there would be so much less uncertainty in my life and I could just focus on being a human.

Innovation keeps being forced on you and I just feel tired. >!And I'm only just in my 20s!< Is this ok? Is this valid? When resisting it is a loser's game...

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Stop doomscrolling.

For what you are writing, you are just getting angry at things you read not at things you live.

Revise which sources are you reading. If they made you unhappy, it is worth keep reading them? Most of those things won't happen anyway or if happen you could easily avoid. I don't feel the need to have an "smartwatch" so I just don't have one, for instance.

Find some sources that make you happy, and you'll find an improvement. Some people seems to only write things with the goal of making you feel miserable.

I'm just happy following my tech news about open source development and space exploration.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

I agree with this. It sounds like OP is more bothered by "having this tech forced" on him than anything, but tech is inert, it is people that would make him feel like that.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 days ago

My issue with technological progress is that at this point most of it seems like it is no longer of benefit to the average person. Rather it is more about ways for corporations and governments to control us or extract more (e.g. money, data) from us. Most consumer tech is trending towards enshittification.

The exception to this is medical advancements.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I am now at the point where I think there are two things happening.

  • Actual technological progress.
  • Marketing bullshit pushed by dazzlers.

Examples for the first one would be new battery tech for electric vehicles, new ways to harvest renewable energy, new tools that allow to make software more stable,... Examples for the second would be NTFs, Crypto-Currencies, "AI", e-Fuels,...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago

Trust me, I remember seeing an "AI powered" rice cooker. It was just Tefal rebranding their Fuzzy Logic technology. DankPods even made a video on that exact rice cooker.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Most of the tech in my house is at a minimum 3 years old. It all still works just fine, I don't need new tech.

My phone? 3 years old.

My laptop? Probably 6 years old.

My television? At least 13 years old. HD too. Doesn't even have the smart TV features that are usually way too slow anyway.

My fridge? Probably older than my sister.

My other computer? As old as the telly. I might need to go fix it since it basically stopped working, and maybe upgrade some components, at least it's future-proof for as long as it runs a currently up to date supported operating system. Hey, I might put Arch on that, btw.

My microwave? Duh, my whole life, I've only had three. And the latest one is 9 years old.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Our current microwave came used with the house we bought 10 years ago!

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 6 days ago

In Future Shock,

Alvin Toffler argued that society is undergoing an enormous structural change, a revolution from an industrial society to a "super-industrial society". This change, he states, overwhelms people. He argues that the accelerated rate of technological and social change leaves people disconnected and suffering from "shattering stress and disorientation"—future shocked. -from WP

This was published in 1970

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

Sounds like maybe a bit of depression could be hiding behind your anxiety about tech (if so, talk to a professional). I agree with some other takes that getting offline can be helpful. I got offline (as much as I could) for two weeks and it did a good amount to improve my mental health.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

The irony is the use of technology to ask the question. Your level of tech use and engagement is a personal choice. You can minimise or stop anytime. Most choose to minimise, I'd suspect because some innovations are quite useful.

Also, in an existence where the only constant is change, where every moment and conscious perspective is uniquely different and where novel complexity only increases, it would be wise to cultivate patience and a neutral perspective on change.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 days ago

Animals use a lot of body language. So, if AI could lift your tail to "speak" cat, i would finally get impressed by AI.

[–] [email protected] 113 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (15 children)

I fully agree. As a 43 year old, who used to be an "early adopter" I've found that I don't fucking need it. I'm fine with retro games. I'm fine with talking on the phone instead of video conferences. I don't need "social media".

On the other hand, I really like that my car doesn't pollute. I really like that I can power my house from the sunlight that normally just hits my roof and is absorbed. I really like that I can work from home.

There are tradeoffs. For me, what works, is just not giving a fuck. But in like, a content/nice way, instead of a nihilistic/depressed way. If you know what I mean?

But being a Luddite does have its appeal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddite

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

I guess that makes sense. Also, what sets the solar panels aside is that they don't intrude into your modus operandi, like eg. always-on employer expectations (possible thanks to the internet) might.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (4 children)

People getting old in this thread. Next thing you know, you'll be yelling at kids on your front lawn. 😁

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I realized I was old when I paid a couple kids to shovel my sidewalk lol

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[–] [email protected] 58 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

I don’t think it’s weird to feel exhausted by the pace of innovation, especially when the innovation has nebulous value.

I felt this way with the wave of “smart house” stuff. I’m a software engineer, I spend all day programming and debugging stuff. I do NOT want to spend 1 fucking second of my precious finite life debugging a fucking light bulb. Not one. Oh I can say “Alexa, red alert” and all my lightbulbs turn red, fucking fuck you. I don’t want my refrigerator connected to the internet, I don’t want my toaster monitoring my speech patterns to serve me ads and customize my toasting experience.

To every shitbag manager out there tying to shove this garbage down our throats, fuck off and die. And you might think “you don’t like a smart (whatever) then don’t buy one.” Fuck you too, over time I fucking can’t. Try to buy a tv that isn’t a fucking smart tv, you just fucking can’t anymore. And slowly but surely everything you use turns into some shitty piece of fuck.

The good news is that AI is probably a bubble. We’ve fed the sum total of the internet into our LLMs and we’ve gotten pretty convincing liars that are sometimes right. We are running out of data and 99 out of 100 uses of AI don’t make sense.

I’ve been in the startup scene for my entire adult career and if you talk to people that try to jam AI into their products to make investors happy you’ll hear very similar things every time. It was incredibly expensive, no one used it, and no one liked it.

There are some use cases for AI, but not nearly as much as what’s getting thrown at the wall. AI has been through many winters where progress stalls, the hype dies out, and AI winter begins.

Final thought, you don’t have to do anything you don’t want to. People are enamored with using AI to make false memories (sorry, there comes a point where you’ve touched up a photo so much it isn’t reality anymore), destroying their ability to use their brains for critical thinking, art, writing, reading. You don’t have to. Those people might deeply regret not having a single real picture of their child. Maybe the clouds made the photo look bad, but now you can’t remember laughing as you ran through the rain.

Our lives do not need to be curated and polished into some technicolor madness. Do what you want and in 20 years people will ask you “how are you so interesting and fulfilled” as they shovel AI garbage into their maw. I see a future that is similar to what happened to social media (I know, I’m using social media right now, we are all hypocrites). People working everyday to present some faux reality to others, jealous of everyone else’s faux realty, unhappy and unable to go 5 god damn minutes without a dopamine hit.

The other day I had to wait for something, I sat and looked out the window at the beautiful trees rustling gently in the wind. I took in the glory of the world around me, I sat in peace and let my mind wander. These are skills too few enjoy these days because they let the future happen to them.

You are in charge of your life.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Are you mad about the technology or the underlying reasons it was born of? Honestly most people's anger towards tech isn't about the tech itself, but what it's really used for

For example, the smart fridge, on paper most people would find it a fantastic idea. But then the user-hostile features set in. An internal camera could helpfully analyze everything in your fridge and put together an ez shopping list, but then in reality we kinda get that because it was designed around things like selling data collection and ADs and then designed to break in a year or 2 and take out half the fridge along with it because they want to make more money off you every 2 years

Now take the smart fridge in a world with strong privacy and consumer protection laws (and maybe even a capitalism free world) and it would be totally different, not only would you get cool things designed properly with heart and soul, but it'll also last a long time. Modern tech doesn't have to be as fragile as it is, NASAs space probes and rovers and satellites prove time and time again that "High Tech" can last with proper design and manufacturing. In the depths of space their shit is routinely lasting their original mission lengths. In space, in the top 10 most hostile places we know.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I don’t want my refrigerator connected to the internet

Yep

Try to buy a tv that isn’t a fucking smart tv, you just fucking can’t anymore.

This is what I'm on about, resisting is a loser's game, even if you try it gets too hard :-(

what’s getting thrown at the wall.

Ah, well noticed. Yeah I guess a lot of the smart toasters etc is just the industry throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks. You just reminded me how quickly 3D TVs disappeared after appearing.

Our lives do not need to be curated and polished into some technicolor madness.

Tell that to society 😩

But yes, we are definitely on the same page.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I still enjoy progress, but enshittification is exhausting.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 week ago

The problem isn't necessarily the tools we develop. The question is who do these tools empower.
If technological progress disproportionately empowers a minority and increases socioeconomic injustice, there is no true progress, merely increasingly elaborate repression and abuse

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I’ll keep it short, you got a lot of replies already. A lot of the tech is actually quite valuable and a lot of the promises of people like Elon Musk are, for lack of a better term, nearly complete horseshit.

What I’m personally exhausted by is how we’re doing all this and yet we can’t seem to bring ourselves to use it to help anyone. It isn’t the tech or the pace of development rather it’s the fact that we’ll triple someone’s productivity while keeping a five-day work-week with eight-hour days despite a mountain of studies and real-world examples showing how that’s not beneficial for anyone. So much of the development is going towards making the worst people more money and I fucking hate it so much.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 week ago

It would probably seem less daunting if we knew that these great technological innovations couldn't be controlled and hoarded by a small group, but were instead widely available for the public to use on equal ground. And further, if we would all equally share in the efficiency benefits, rather than just a small group.

Like, if my boss told me half my job was being automated by ai, but I'd still get the same salary and only have to work 2.5 days per week, I certainly wouldn't complain.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 week ago

Innovation keeps being forced on you

It's not innovation, it's just ads.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 week ago

It feels to me like you don't hate progress, but you hate late stage capitalism.

If progress happened without it being forced on you, without you "having" to adapt to not "fall behind", when all your needs were provided for without having to compete to satisfy them...

Would you really mind progress that much?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I think technology's great, but the way people have chosen to use it is occasionally awful.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago

The technology we create takes the form of the incentives that drive its' creation. If we create technology for the exploitation of others we shouldn't be surprised that people use it for the exploitation of others.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago (2 children)

What your experiencing is a kind of social decay due to people being squeeze more and more, and not just economically.

This isn’t specific to tech though, if there was no tech, they would just find other ways to make life harder.

This is just the journey we’ve been on since the Industrial Revolution where the market decides what our new environment is for the sake of profit.

The good news is that it’s a journey of ups and downs, so it could stop being dystopian soon.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

The technological progress is what is not normal. Modern humans have been walking around, living their lives for 300,000 years. Agriculture is less than 12,000 years old, basically still brand new in comparison to the span of time that people just like us have existed for.

For nearly all of human history, generation after generation after generation for thousands of years lived very similar lifestyles with marginally improved, but familiar technology.

It is only in the last few hundred years, a tiny tiny sliver of the human timeline, that we have seen rapid technological progress that has completely changed the way people live their lives from one generation to the next. Lifestyle changes and paradigm shifts that used to take many many generations now are seemingly happening several times within an individual's lifetime.

We have barely even had any time to adapt to agriculture, let alone capitalism or air travel or instant global telecommunication or AI, etc. So don't be too hard on yourself about feeling fatigued. I feel it too. We are living in an alien world that we aren't really "meant for". You're "supposed to be" a hunter-gatherer.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunbar%27s_number

Shit, forget phones and AI, let's go even more basic. Your brain still has essentially the same neocortex that people around 250,000 years ago had, and it is evolved to only be capable of processing/understanding a maximum of around 150 interconnected social relationships, the number of people that a hunter-gatherer 250,000 years ago could expect to know and interact with over their lifetime.

We haven't had time to adjust to meeting and knowing more than about 150 people total in your lifetime. How many contacts are in your phone right now? I had like 500 facebook friends as a teenager and they were all people I knew outside of social media... Our current lives are extremely different than the life that our brain is equipped for.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Probably time to step back how much social media you’re consuming.

Personally I find myself kinda saddened at how slow tech has advanced. I feel like it’s pivoted from creating new things to ruining old things.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

At some point, there was this shift where the technology was no longer being designed to benefit the user, but to benefit the creator. The problem is that the creators are now trillion-dollar multi-national organizations who also lobby against my wellbeing and safety in areas of rulemaking and regulation. So now I am fine foregoing the "technology" whenever I can.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago (2 children)

When I was young, I really valued the idea of technological progress. It was almost axiomatically the goal of humanity. Getting greater abilities to do more things more easily... it seemed like the ultimate goal.

But now that I'm older, I've seen what happens with technological power like that, and it isn't great. Yes, we can do more things more easily than before. And what is the result? The main result seems to be increase consolation of wealth and power, and increasing the rate at which the world's resources are depleted.

  • People can now connect instantly and effortlessly with anyone anywhere in the world - and the result is that enormous numbers of people shun their local peers and instead have shallow parasocial relationships with strangers who's job it is to advertise products to them.
  • Clothes are cheap and easy to create - and the result is mountains of waste created by fast-fashion low-quality throw-away clothes largely made from slave labour. Similarly for many products, in particular plastic products are now choking the world in waste.
  • Cars are more efficient, and production quality is high - and the result is massively oversized monsters, completely negating the efficiency benefit and instead increasing the amount of space and maintenance required to handle the increased size and weight of the machines. The streets are basically filled with cars and spaces for cars, with less and less space for people to do people things.
  • Half-decent AI has finally been created. It's a long-held dream come true... except that the outcome isn't quite what we hoped. There's a lot to say on this topic, but just to keep it snappy, I'll oversimplify it by saying that people are not using it to do better. They are instead outsourcing their own thoughts and imagination.

Our silky-smooth hyper-connected ultra-convenient world is not leading people to be happier, or smarter, or kinder. And it certainly isn't helping humanity survive longer. We're burning out fast.

A lot of what we have superficially looks like 'progress', but in full description it looks more like a dystopia. Things are easier, but perhaps the good things were already easy enough; and so the main effect is that exploitation and manipulation got easier. Even when we agree that we're going in the wrong direction, the messages are still muddied enough that we accelerate rather than change course.

Anyway... I don't agree with my younger self. I no longer think that technological advances are intrinsically good. I think taking things a bit more slowly might have been more wise. I've thought about it a lot, and I think a core part of it is that money corrupts. Unfortunately, money is very tightly intertwined with most of what we do - so that's a pretty difficult problem to fix. So I won't go into more detail about that now!

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago

Technology moving forward doesn’t mean you have to move with it. In fact, there’s an advantage in realizing when something is good enough and that you don’t need a better version. Smartphones, for example, haven’t added a single feature I need since around 2016. In many ways, they’ve even regressed, using more fragile materials for aesthetics and removing useful features like the headphone jack. Back then, I needed to invest in flagship models to get something I liked, but now the flagship models are overkill for what I need, so I can just go with a mid-range device instead.

The same applies to cars. My truck is from 2007 and has every feature I need, without the ones I don’t. I have no intention of upgrading anytime soon. I can just keep replacing broken parts for a fraction of the cost it would take to do the same on a newer model.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago

First thing you gotta do is tune that bullshit out. None of the fantastical things materialize like that. Its always layers of technology that births miracles.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago

It is mostly hype honestly

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago (4 children)

ha, none of that will exist in your lifetime. i think youll be ok. is it that hard to just ignore the stuff youre not interested in?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Maybe it's aggravated by the fact that I do programming and the industry standard libraries constantly keep evolving each year. You're stuck perpetually playing catch-up.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

So, AI allowing us to speak with animals, people being able to communicate telepathically, people able to live entirely in their own VR worlds?

At best, those are pipedreams, at worst they are bullshit sales pitches that will either never happen for products that can't possibly work safely or as imagined.

You can't talk to animals if they don't even have their own languages.

Telepathy? As in mind to mind direct interface? Sure, talk to the people with exoskeletons or bionic eyes that can no longer be hardware or software maintained. Or you know all the Neurolink monkies and pigs that went insane and died of infection or bashing their heads into walls until they killed themselves.

... Or you could just text things to people or call them.

Live entirely in a VR world? Sure, there's two ways to almost do that:

  1. Be extraordinarily wealthy such that you can afford butlers and a home that you never need to leave.

  2. Oh you're poor? Well you can remote operate an android and be a robot butler or industrial worker.

...

From my point of view, there has been technological progress, but very little of it is aimed at meaningfully improving the average person's life, introducing some game changing systemic, society spanning thing that makes some very important, very costly thing, far far less expensive... in about a decade or so.

We got to the point where basically any office job can be done remotely... and nope, can't switch to a remote work paradigm because then commercial real estate market collapses and middle managers don't need to exist anymore.

We've had EVs for a while now... turns out their only marginally better for the environment, and more expensive. The real needed change is a switch to whoah remote working, combined with redesigning cities to have more extensive mass transit.

I don't know if you've played Stellaris, but in that game you have 3 simultaneous tech trees: Societal, Engineering, and Theoretical Physics.

In the last two decades we've made progress in the latter, and basically none in the former.

Well, we have the science to back up things like better social safety nets, UBI, better work life balance, reliable and affordable healthcare.... but we don't implement it.

Technology can drive politics, and politics can drive technology.

Our politics are capitalist. Tech is basically only implemented toward increasing profit. And almost always only in the short term. And almost always as cost saving measures, instead of actually improving a product.

Innovation feels like its being forced on us... because it is. Top Down. Adapt or Die. And... that's not really innovation anyway.

We could live in a social order that treats employees as investments, trains them, pays for that training.

Instead, we are costs. We are disposable. Its up to us to keep learning on our own time and dime, even though literally no one has any idea what specific skills will be needed next.

... I'm getting a bit rambly here, but my basic point is that we haven't had any meaningful major breakthroughs that improve the common person's life in a while.

Everything meaningful and new is aimed at the wealthy or ultra wealthy, as consumers, or as owners.

Everything else is 'pay in time or money to learn or use this new system or standard or else you're unemployable.'

If we did somehow invent a groundbreaking invention, like humanoid automatons with their own, self contained, ability to replace most human workers... the wealthy would just stop employing us, let us die.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

This is exactly how the 90s felt when the dotcom bubble was building and moores law was in high effect.

Every 6 months your computer components were obsolete

256MB hardrives! Holy shit sooo much space!

Whaaaaaat 1GB drives?!? Daaaaamn

Whoa whoa whoa CdRom? Blink I can write to cds? Whats this + - business?! Sneeze, holy shit you can rewrite a cdnow?!

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