13% of Democrats agree with Trump on that.

What the actual fuck?

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[–] 114 points 2 years ago

Immigrants are the blood of the US. This fascist bullshit is the poison.

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  • [–] 91 points 2 years ago (10 children)

    From the "Great American Melting Pot" to this shit in one generation. WTF

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    [–] 83 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    The US has a growing fascism problem

    It does not go away with Trump. I wish democrats would address it instead of pointing at Trump like he's an aberration

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  • [–] 69 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    That's funny because we're almost all immigrants, so I guess we're all poison?

    Ehh, then again there was that whole native genocide thing.

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  • [–] 26 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    No, no, no, not us. I'm talking about those bad immigrants. You know who I'm talking about .....

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    [–] 50 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    You're all immigrants you idiots.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

    Nuh uh. I was born here. My parents were born here. (/s, of course)

    Let's not go back any further than that because it hurts the argument.

    For context, I am 50% Italian, 25% French, 12.5% Irish, and 12.5% English. At least going off what my parents had told me. I never did a DNA test or anything.

    It's been barely 60 years since racism against Italian- and Irish-American individuals really eased up. All based on xenophobia and an anti-Catholic belief. Before that, they may as well have been Black. Or worse, Japanese.

    Tons of people alive today that experienced it first hand. Did all the lead in the paint and gasoline make them forget all about it?

    Even still today we have to tiptoe around ideas like renaming Columbus Day. On the one hand, he was a massive piece of shit. On the other hand, it's morphed into the only holiday celebrating Italian-American heritage. I very much agree with the former, but if we are gonna go all-out on St. Patrick's Day, Italians should have a day too.

    Maybe we could make a bigger deal out of St. Joseph. I could really go for a zeppole right about now, but that's really all I know of the day. It's a day for a zeppole.

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    [–] 44 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    its the 100% venn overlap of racists. america is still pretty full up on people who hate other people for no reason but race

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    [–] 39 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Says the country that is 99% immigrant blood

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    [–] 35 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    1/3 of Americans are terrible people.

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  • [–] 32 points 2 years ago (3 children)

    Compare to George W. Bush, who said:

    "We’re also a nation of immigrants, and we must uphold that tradition, which has strengthened our country in so many ways."

    and:

    "Some in this country argue that the solution is to — is to deport every illegal immigrant and that any proposal short of this amounts to amnesty. I disagree. It is neither wise nor realistic to round up millions of people, many with deep roots in the United States, and send them across the border."

    and:

    "We must honor the great American tradition of the melting pot, which has made us one nation out of many peoples. The success of our country depends upon helping newcomers assimilate into our society, and embrace our common identity as Americans."

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    I'm not saying G.W. was good or anything, but god damn that's a big change from what we see now from Republicans.

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    [–] 28 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    A third of Americans are xenophobic bigots. Got it.

    Meanwhile they proudly exclaim their great great great great grand daddy came in on the Mayflower.

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  • [–] 26 points 2 years ago (8 children)

    I mean, how many people supported slavery and later, Jim Crow.

    thesamepicture.jpg

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  • [–] [S] 16 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    The funny thing, though, is that the people who supported slavery also generally supported immigration. And I don't mean by importing slaves (that too, of course). They wanted immigrants because they wanted America to grow. Sure, they didn't want black immigrants, but that's a whole other thing. When Chinese immigrants started pouring into California during the Gold Rush era, the response wasn't, "immigrants are poisoning the blood of our country!" it was "Hey! Dirt cheap labor! And stay out of the buildings with the posted 'no Chinese' signs or else."

    So even those people, awful as they were, wouldn't agree.

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  • [–] 26 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    Bet. So why don't all you palefaces go back to England, Ireland, Germany, Spain, France...

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    [–] 23 points 2 years ago* (5 children)

    As a German, knowing what happened in Nazi Germany and what Hitler’s beliefs and actions were at that time, this “rhetoric” is beyond troubling and disturbing.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_eugenics

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    [–] 20 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    A minority of voters. The stupid end of the intelligence bell curve.

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    [–] 20 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Which immigrants? They said that about Italians, then Irish. Seems the new guys on the block are always the bad guys until they aren't.

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  • [–] 19 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I think this is also a problem of perspective: the US Democrats are only "left" when seen from inside the US political spectrum. Seen from the outside they barely reach a center position and would be considered conservative-right in many other countries.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago

    13% of any national group is enough to account for people who don't have any good reason to identify with that group but do so because their friends or family did.

    Knowing what 13% of Democrats think tells you what the party is not, not what the party is. It's irrelevant to the tired, old point that you've dragged out here.

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  • [–] 17 points 2 years ago (9 children)

    I was at a Ska show last night. They played a tRump ad about the border before the music. We almost left. Surreal, honestly, for the type of crowd I would expect.

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  • [–] [S] 16 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    Music and politics are super weird. Paul Ryan, former Republican speaker of the house, was an RATM fan until Tom Morello told him to fuck off. Ann Coulter is a massive Deadhead. So is Tucker Carlson. There's even a photo of Tucker hanging out with Jerry Garcia when he was in his 20s. The story is in an interview here if you can stomach it: https://www.maxraskin.com/interviews/interview-with-tucker-carlson

    And then there's the musicians themselves- Johnny Ramone, Alice Cooper, Gene Simmons, all conservatives.

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    [–] 14 points 2 years ago

    When my Jewish roommate told his parents he was dating a gentile they told him he was "thinning the blood"

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  • [+] 13 points 2 years ago* (last edited 7 months ago)
    [–] 13 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    I agree.

    America for Native Americans.

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    [–] 13 points 2 years ago

    Any issue any position, you can get 25% to agree. Another 5% is rounding error. Another 3% you get from trolls.

    Just like that, you can get 1/3 support for anything you want and clickbait your way to victory!

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)

    13% of Democrats agree with Trump on that.

    More proof of fake respondents. Basically some people, for whatever reason (depending on the poll it could be financial) just speed run the polls with no thought about what they're clicking on. So it makes any extremely unpopular view appear more supported. I can't find much about how this was done, if it was an online opt-in poll I'd be especially suspicious.

    Edit: it seems this was done with a Ipsos KnowledgePanel, which as I suspected is an online, paid, opt-in panel. This is exactly the kind of design that's prone to speed running for cash.

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