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Fuck you Bernie (hexbear.net)
submitted 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
 

Link to his tweet

You know, my plan when Bernie eventually dies, was to not exactly celebrate; but more to reflect that, yeah even though he ended up being a liberal Zionist piece of shit I respect the fact that he started something that got many of us on the pipeline.

But fuck that, now I will be doing crab dances when he dies and piss on his grave.

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[–] bdonvr 2 points 40 minutes ago* (last edited 40 minutes ago)

NOW, MOTHERFUCKER?

NOW THERE IS NO JUSTIFICATION?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

IDK tbf Bernie didn't really go in on Sinwar. OK he said he's dead that's true.

He does call them "1200 innocent people" ok that's just false if they're an occupying military. But also he doesn't say Sinwar killed them. If ever a time for the passive "died" was called for it would be have been then, considering it seems like most non-military deaths were probably from the IDF themselves. We'll never know exact numbers. Thankfully doesn't blame the palestinian deaths on him which is peak lib genocide apologia. At least he's trying to use it to end the war but naively thinks shit like this will work. Zionists don't want an offramp bernie they are true believers. this is what zionism is.

History will show Sinwar was a hero. And history will show Bernie had a good heart but was a coward who should've broken with the Democratic Party but didn't have the guts, and always was wrong and had a blind spot about Israel and foreign policy in general.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 43 minutes ago

i hate how true this is and how much of a fucking idiot i was to ever believe in Bernie

[–] [email protected] 29 points 3 hours ago

We need to stop crediting Bernie with making people socialist. It's great man theory and it's anti-materialist bs. Bernie did not invent socialism. He was just the guy who capitalised on a lot of people feeling dissolutioned and turning toward left-wing ideas. Many of us would have found our way to the left without Bernie. If it wasn't him it would have been one of the numerous "left tubers" cropping up around the same time, or the actual left parties trying to assert a presence or some other SocDem grifter trying to convince people that the liberal party is the path to socialism.

In reality, the "Bernie moment" has been a road block for far more people than a pipeline. He claimed what he was selling was socialism and people fell for it and now everyone's dissolutioned, waiting for the next Bernie or else still trying to work within the party that screwed him. He got a lot of people who could have been genuinely radicalised in a period of economic turmoil to hitch their wagon to the "progressive wing" of the DNC and they're not letting go.

Bernie killed leftist momentum in the US. He didn't ignite it. It began with Occupy and it was derailed by his bullshit grifting. Guy should have just run as DSA or independent ffs. He's right-wing for a SocDem ffs.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 hours ago

I cant even muster the strength to be mad anymore. This shit just bounces off me. I'm just like oh, the old man said something Zionist again. Ok.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

Probably low on the list to dunk on things here but the 1200 "innocents" figure always irks me. 300-400 were soldiers! Literally the least innocent thing you can be from a warfare standpoint

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

yeah, and also I notice when talking about the kibbutzim that were hit, there is

  1. a pretty dark and arbitrary conflation that "these were secular peace activists some of those people would drive Gazans to get healthcare" as if the same Gazans who got hospital rides were the same fighters who raided the kibbutzim, and also
  2. that kibbutzim are treated like small rural collective farm communities with no strategic significance for an anti-occupation struggle, which even erasing the historical occupation context, that kibbutzim were settler-colonial projects backed by armed militias (which you shouldn't do); many kibbutzim are also often very very wealthy and even have big industrial manufacturing and high technology enterprises and large-scale privatized industrial agriculture. I think something like 40% of Israeli polity's agricultural food produce come from kibbutzim and nearly 10% of industrial output in general. And one of the kibbuttzim that was raided is the wealthiest kibbutz in the entire territory of Israel polity (I forget which one by name when I was reading up on it).

When looked at from this point of view, as an asymmetrical anti-colonial struggle compared to any other in history, this is aspect of the raid is all pretty banal and straightforward.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

not just that but how many were killed by the idf themselves. got 19 year olds shooting any moving car no fucking idea who's inside. hamas's mission was so obviously to capture as many hostages alive as possible.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Parenti was right about Bernie all along. As well as everything else.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 hours ago (2 children)

I thought they were friends. What did he say about Bernie?

[–] [email protected] 31 points 3 hours ago

BERNIE AND ME by Michael Parenti

People have asked me what I think of the Bernie Sanders campaign. Bernie and I used to be close political friends up in Vermont in the early 1970s. We ran together on a third party ticket (the Liberty Union Party). I ran for the U.S. House of Representatives and Bernie ran for the U.S. Senate. (I got 7% of the vote; he got 3 or 4%--but who's counting.)

Bernie stayed in Vermont. I wanted to write rather than run for office in one-sided campaigns. So I spent the years writing books, articles, teaching courses, giving interviews, doing guest lectures all over the country, and marching in demonstrations. But I remained good friends with Bernie. I gave him moral and monetary support in his successful campaigns for Mayor of Burlington, then U.S. House of Representatives.

But I eventually broke with him because of his position on the Yugoslavia war, the "humanitarian war" as Bill Clinton and his national security state people called it. As did many liberals and some Trotskyites and anarchists, Bernie stood shoulder to shoulder with NATO and the CIA and the Clinton White House in the destruction of Yugoslavia, the 78 days of bombing, drenching Serbia in depleted uranium, leaving Serbia with the highest cancer rate in Europe and breaking up Yugoslavia, one of the best social democracies in Europe, though not without its serious blemishes.

Today, I wish Bernie the best. He is a Democrat although he calls himself a socialist and an independent. But he takes very good stands on Social Security, human services, and curbing the banksters. However, he has voiced not a word about what his foreign policy might be. I suspect it has not improved. I will most likely not be voting for him. Probably I will support some third-party candidate who will run a hard hopeless campaign---of the kind we used to do in Vermont years ago. ----MICHAEL PARENTI

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

They used to be at least, Bernie's support for the bombing of Yugoslavia changed Parenti's opinion of him. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLNQEHbusSA

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 5 hours ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 36 minutes ago

Gonna send that next time I get Bernie campaign email

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 hours ago

thank god for the labels, I'd be lost otherwise

[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 hours ago
[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 hours ago

Zionism, not even once

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

But fuck that, now I will be doing crab dances when he dies and piss on his grave.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

But fuck that, now I will be doing crab dances when he dies and piss on his grave.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 hours ago

To reiterate something Felix tweeted months ago, I can't wait till he fucking dies

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 hours ago

Fuck off, Bernie

[–] [email protected] 22 points 5 hours ago

Irrelevant old fart stfu challenge

[–] [email protected] 45 points 6 hours ago

Bold for a US senator to be calling anyone else a war criminal flattened-bernie stalin-gun-1stalin-gun-2

[–] [email protected] 32 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (1 children)

You automatically win the war if you kill the enemy king.

A leader is a king; people need to be ruled, it's human nature. Nothing works unless there's 1 person in command of literally everything.

Everybody knows this, it's all common knowledge.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 hours ago

did.. did CHESS LIED TO ME?? (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ ♚♗♞

[–] [email protected] 39 points 6 hours ago

Like any 'left' zionist, he is

seemingly unable to give a talk or write an article or book review on whatever political subject without injecting some {western chauvinist} side swipe

[–] [email protected] 90 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

"There is now no justification"

"There is now no justification"

"There is now no justification"

There never was any justification for the genocide you fucking chauvinist western imperialist. Fuck you Bernie.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 5 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 21 minutes ago

Nobody would even heard about him then, since he became villain before he got famous.

[–] [email protected] 61 points 7 hours ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 hours ago

so dishonest

[–] [email protected] 50 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Easily much higher. They stopped counting very early on when the infrastructure to actually officially recognise deaths crumbled. Lancet published a review a month or two ago that said the real number was likely around 130-180k

[–] [email protected] 36 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

The did the same thing in Yemen. They stopped counting a year or two in and the number remained static.

Like what the fuck?

[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 hours ago

They did that with covid deaths in the US, too

[–] [email protected] 45 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

42,000 confirmed. Israel has destroyed the civilian infrastructure that does the counting. It’s easily in the hundreds of thousands by now.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 7 hours ago

120,000 is the low estimate

[–] [email protected] 51 points 7 hours ago
[–] [email protected] 25 points 6 hours ago

okay guys but look, he's using a green and white letterhead, it's clearly a coded message, he's flying Hamas colors which means he's writing this against his will, he can still win angery

[–] [email protected] 66 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

There is now no justification

Bernie you should be embarrassed for believing this flimsy pretext in the first place. shameless the way this liberal zionist filth tries to pin essential crimes of the zionist project on Netanyahu alone

[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 hours ago

oh, NOW there's no justification. before this, totally cool and ok. but now? RED LINE.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 hours ago
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