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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

I think anyone still in the scene will want to lay low for a while and work in the shadows. Only releasing after a few years.

I hope they dont go for dolphin or cemu claiming that certain games are in their e-shop for the switch 2 release.

Either way I think we should start backing up emulators and their source and require files regularly as a fallback.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

I mean, all of these emulators are already very well archived and available from several sources, not to mention downloaded to the devices of millions of people. I highly doubt we would be in danger of losing any of them even if Nintendo were to sue literally all of them overnight. Well, except for things like Github issues and pull requests, nobody bothers to archive those unfortunately.

But yeah, IMO the danger is moreso that the attacks are leading to a massive chilling effect and loss of developer talent in the emulation community.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

I hope they dont go for dolphin or cemu claiming that certain games are in their e-shop for the switch 2 release.

That's exactly what I'm afraid of

[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (6 children)

I'm a bit salty this was apparently announced through Discord. Was it even posted anywhere else?

The future of social media is fragmented siloes, I guess.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah... even worse, it appears the admin didn't even announce it, this is just one of the developers clarifying what the admin probably did.

As someone who uses Ryujinx, I literally spent the afternoon curious about an error I was getting while updating about the build server being down "probably because it's building a new version, check back in a few minutes", only to find a Twitter screenshot of this linked in slack that evening.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 13 hours ago

Twitter screenshot of this linked in slack that evening.

The modern internet in a nutshell, lol.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I will never not be pissed off that the overwhelming majority of communities that made the internet vibrant especially when nerding out about niche stuff just happily moved to discord and foreclosed their futures.

Everytime I get down on the fediverse I think about what discord did to online communities I loved and I get fired up again.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I wouldn't have an issue with many different communications platforms if they didn't all require an account (also Discord not being indexable sucks).

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago

Discord is even worse, as you need to find an invite to a specific Discord, and sometimes go through a lengthy sign up process for each Discord.

Some won't let you sign up without a phone #.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah, this is a big part of why I stopped using discord recently. Not yet sure of any alternatives but leaving is step one.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Matrix.

And... Lemmy.

It doesn't matter though, the problem is the critical mass is migrating to Discord and shunting everything out of view. Honestly that's much worse than being on Reddit, even now.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 20 hours ago

Matrix does not have seamless desktop sharing or voice chat, and has a drastically higher executive cost. It also does not solve the information silo issue.

The fediverse as a whole is promising but likely needs to mature a bit longer. Theres a lot of potential issues that have yet to be worked through.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Now and then I bought Nintendo games for my nephew. This stopped right now.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I mean. I understand the sentiment but I don't think your nephew will understand 😅 you should keep buying games for your nephew bro. I'll stop buying games in his place

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago

I'm sure there's plenty of other things they'd appreciate too. Maybe instead they could help them move over to PC even.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 days ago (5 children)

I need to remind some people here who don't seem to understand something.

Forks may be dead and development may not be as fast as the original.

However - you must think about the future and not the situation right now. Yuzu and Ryujinx sources will be invaluable information for people making emulators later down the line.

It's a matter of when and not if someone picks it up again.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Tons of boot kickers in the comments here

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 12 hours ago

I mean like they are seeing nintendos “side” in this

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago

Well you gotta kick boots. What else you gonna do, kick sandals? That's just insane.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 days ago (14 children)

Yeah, this is dumb.

I own original hardware and buy 100% of my games but sometimes you just wanna run games that aren't originally crossplatform on your Steamdeck for convenience, or on a PC with resolution upscaling, or for ease of streaming the gameplay, or tons of other legitimate reasons.

Nintendo has some great IP and gameplay, and I guarantee you their sales are not meaningfully hurt by people who pirate/emulate games. Those people were never their customers anyway. If anything the emulation community enabled streamers to boost the popularity of their games. (People like PointCrow did more for the sustained popularity of BOTW than all of Nintendo's marketing efforts combined)

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 days ago (4 children)

A lot of people resort to emulation simply so they can play mods too.

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[–] [email protected] 95 points 2 days ago (15 children)

fuck Nintendo and fuck fanboys who defend them at every turn. breath of the wild was a 7/10 game

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[–] [email protected] 144 points 2 days ago (7 children)

There were so many Nintendo apologists when Yuzu was taken down because "Yuzu used actual nintendo source code, so that's why they were taken down, it won't happen to Ryujinx." Yet here we are. Nintendo is by far the shittiest company when it comes to protecting their IP, because it's all they have. Turns out, Mario is a fucking bootlicker

[–] [email protected] 82 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I don't understand how people think getting rid of emulators is good. Having emulators is better as a consumer than not having them at all, since it can give gamers more ways to play their games and might incentivize Nintendo to add features to compete with emulators (think better res and fps, mod support, save states, no online requirement).

[–] [email protected] 76 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Because a subset of people are and always will be idiots. Remember: some people think unions exist to steal your money, socialism is communist dictatorship propaganda, and privatization of government services is good for everybody.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yuzu did not use "nintendo source code".

They simply hosted decryption keys in their repository. But that still was not the focus of Nintendo's move. It was that Yuzu and its company profited directly from the release of The Legend of Zelda.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 hours ago

Makes sense, what was the focus on their move here?

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 days ago (9 children)

Imagine not developing a controversial emulator anonymously...

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[–] [email protected] 213 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Fuck Nintendo. All they have done is ensure I never buy one of their products again.

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[–] [email protected] 156 points 2 days ago (9 children)

I will always say this in these "Nintendo shuts down beloved fan project" threads: why don't the people working on these projects operate anonymously and release via torrent? I feel like I've been reading the same story for 20 years. It shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone at this point that Nintendo will come after you.

[–] [email protected] 226 points 2 days ago (31 children)

Because emulation is legal. It shouldn't have to be hidden. This was taken through the courts in 2001 with the Sony vs Bleem lawsuit.

What appears to be happening is Nintendo is abusing its power and money to make threats of legal action that these groups just can't afford to fight, even though they haven't done anything illegal. It should be coming as a surprise that Nintendo is coming for them, because this is completely legal, and not some fan game using Nintendo IP (which is what they normally shut down).

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Well that sucks.. I'm still pissed at Roblox for their DRM rug pull on Linux. Didn't stop the bots and hackers for more than two weeks anyways - bet Ryujinx 2.0 will be out soon too.

Anyone know if DRM is cracked on Roblox yet? Just a yes or no I can find it nevermind I'll go look

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 2 days ago (2 children)

People think emulator protections in the law are stronger than they really are. Sony vs Connectix made emulation legal, but it wasn't heard by the supreme court. PS1 games weren't encrypted and relied on other methods like disc wobble to prevent piracy...so without proactively violating any measures you could just not include that check in your competing emulator and play retail discs without breaking any laws.

In steps the DMCA anti-circumvention laws for bypassing video game / console encryption measures, which is an even bigger untested minefield without precedent in favor of emulation. And since games are default encrypted on new consoles and arguably not subject to exemption (at least while still supported) it really might be a disaster to fight it.

Nintendo is a dick but it's not in our interest or theirs to really push the boundary on the status quo. The get to slap suit whatever they want taken down, we get to play the emulation hydra game where it's still legally grey.

[–] [email protected] 55 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Personally I don’t give a flying Fuck what the law says, breaking copyright is the only thing preventing the world from being more of a dystopian nightmare with subscription mice and trains that break down if you take them to a mechanic and I can’t wait for someone in china or India to take the Open source code and make a better emulator.

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