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[–] 163 points 2 years ago (9 children)

people should be reminded that posts like these aren't really critical of people for not taking the bus. they're critical of systems and planning that don't make you want to take the bus.

if the bus is always packed people will not want to ride it. that's not on you.

if the bus is unreliable, that's not on you.

if there's no bus or public transit that goes where you want to go out somewhere of a reasonable walking distance, that's not on you.

if where you're going is not walkable in the first place, then taking the bus is pointless since once you arrive you'd need a car anyway.

demanding change however is on you.

it's not like cars are awesome by the way. they're inefficient, pricy, troublesome, there's traffic, parking... it's stressful and it's deadly to boot. if people are not taking the bus, the city has work to do.

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  • [–] 27 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

    I'm critical of all the people driving over sized SUVs by themselves in NYC when I'm trying to get a loaded box truck though a gridlocked intersection. Even if the city instruction doesn't have mass transit, you do not need Escalade over a commuter car.

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    [–] 137 points 2 years ago (4 children)

    If this is America/Canada while it could be carrying more people the sad truth is that it's probably carrying half a dozen people because it's likely going from one unwalkable neighborhood to another. Especially up here in BC there's a stark difference between downtown buses running between unis, skytrain and the dense core of Vancouver to the ones you'll see in a suburban hell like Burnaby.

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  • [–] 84 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    Or it takes prohibitively longer than a driving.

    My wife considered taking the bus to work, but it would take 2 hours to get 20 minutes down the road.

    Also add the fact that a bus pass is more expensive than our car insurance.

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  • [–] 37 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    Yea, these are some of the hardest things we need to address to make non-driving more popular in North America - overseas the increased density lends itself a lot more naturally to public transit.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Wow, that's a bummer :-/ For me it's 15-20 min by car assuming a few minutes walk to where I've parked. 25 min by bike (20 min by road but I take a safer 'scenic route') and about 40 min by bus and about 10 minutes of that is walking to/from the bus stop. And the bus fare gets capped at 8 trips per week so every trip thereafter is free meaning if you commute to work every day, Friday and all weekend will be unlimited free trips.

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  • [–] 6 points 2 years ago

    And the bus fare gets capped at 8 trips per week so every trip thereafter is free meaning if you commute to work every day, Friday and all weekend will be unlimited free trips.

    This sounds amazing. Meanwhile where I'm from they recently raised prices again.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago

    This is a massive part of the problem here in the UK too.

    I just checked with Google Maps how long it would take my wife to get to work tomorrow morning. In the car it would take between 45 minutes and an hour, but public transport would take an hour and 52 minutes, with 29 minutes of that taken up by walking to bus and train stops. She would have to leave the house before 5:30 am, whereas the car would give her another hour in bed.

    At the moment we're under a yellow warning for rain too, so she would need to take waterproof clothes and probably a change of clothes too.

    Until things like this are improved, it's easy to see why lots of people still take the car :(

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    [–] 57 points 2 years ago (7 children)

    Well, I need to stop by fedex, go the the grocery store, and pick up dry cleaning all before I get home. Then I need to make dinner. So, if the bus takes 1.5 hours and driving takes 15 minutes… the car wins.

    We should really say fuck urban sprawl. I’d love to walk to work 🤷

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    [–] 28 points 2 years ago (5 children)

    Lets assume we disqualify the cars going left ro right, and if we also assume each car only has 1 person per car, that means the cars is 32.

    A bus that size is usually built to fit around 50ish people using every seat, but none standing.

    I ride my local bus everyday. It's NEVER full like that. I might have 6 people on the bus. Sometimes I'm the only rider.

    So, yeah, a bus CAN hold roughly as many prople as cars, (again assuming only 1 person per car, which probably isn't the case 100%), the reality is that's not functionally true.

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  • [–] 12 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Badly designed transit is not a condemnation of all public transit. Specially when in most of the world public transit is vastly more occupied than in the US and Canada, by the simple fact of actually connecting places people want to go, where people can then walk around when they get there. Parking lots are not destinations.

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago

    I lived in a European capital until 28 and never got a driver's license because public transport was faster than driving through horrible traffic.

    Moved to the US and in less than a year had to buy a car because it was impossible to do anything without one. And that was in am area with considerably better public transport than usual for the US. It was just my wife driving, but after a few years I had to get a driver's license too and buy a second car. I like walking, I prefer good public transit to driving, but it's simply not an option in most of the US.

    Oh, and another story. In my hometown I absolutely loved the subway as THE way to get around. It was cool in the summer, warm in the winter, and average wait was 2-3 minutes. I visited New York one summer and as per habit I went to take the subway to my destination. It was sweltering hot and I waited 20 minutes for a train. Up to that point I considered NYC to be the closest US city to what I'm used to, but that would have been a deal breaker.

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    [–] 21 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    insane that the bus gets its own lane \s

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  • [–] 8 points 2 years ago

    True! 10-12 more cars could have fit on that road if it wasn't for that stupid bus.

    But the poors have to get to their jobs serving me...

    I got it! Let's widen the road! Nobody uses the sidewalk anyway. /S

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  • [–] 20 points 2 years ago (2 children)

    True but people have less of a problem when I masturbate in my car.

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  • [–] 16 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    I'm starting to develop a vigor for public transit to match the one forced on us for car infrastructure in the 60s. Bigger, taller, more, I want 3 bus lanes and a tram line to any town in the country. We can do no wrong taking back all the space we gave to the car, as long as the garbage truck fits on the street, car users can share 1 lane both directions. Take their parking, take their license for rolling stops and using their phone, gift them e-bikes.

    Make transit free, let the highways rot, expand the railways. Sorry for that pothole, all the money was used up by rail.

    Just anything better than we have now. If we have to act fast and break things, so be it.

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  • [–] [S] 9 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    , car users can share 1 lane both directions.

    Oh God, I don't trust them with that.

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  • I visited India 30 years ago and (in the southern part of the country at least) the major highways between cities had a single paved lane in the middle and then just dirt and gravel on the steeply-sloped sides. So on bus trips the drivers would stick to the middle until the last possible second and then veer off so that just the right wheels were on the pavement as they passed each other while tipping crazily to each side. I made the huge mistake on my first trip of sitting in the front seat; I later corrected my mistake by always taking the fucking train, which didn't have this problem.

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  • [+] 15 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 child)
  • [–] [S] 5 points 2 years ago

    lmao, I know that feeling. When I was younger, whole of body, and lived in a shittier area, there were multiple times that no amount of sprinting, shouting, and waving my arms after the bus which REFUSED to make its scheduled stop at the location I was very clearly standing at could penetrate the inscrutable thought processes of the fucking bus driver.

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  • [+] 11 points 2 years ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child)
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    [–] 7 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    But how else will the oil companies increase profits for their shareholders?

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  • [–] 7 points 2 years ago

    Require better utilization of the cars or you have to take the bus. Pretty simple.

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