I am more and more convinced that liberals are usually trying to reassure themselves than to persuade an audience.

it is not up for debate, you must vote for the candidate no matter what

Freedom-loving America, btw

there is absolutely no presidential candidate that won't continue to support Israel

Claudia de la Cruz.

If a sufficient portion of the voting population made clear they would not support her based on those policies she would have to change her policies if she wanted to win.

Like isn't that fairly evident and just how elections work? I don't see how libs don't get that.

I think this might be an American Civic Religion thing where America is so monolithic, and so grounded at the center of their reality, that they can't imagine a world where America doesn't exist or even a world where America can meaningfully change. America is the core of the natural order so trying to fight it is like trying to fight the ocean. They can only conceptualize resistance and rebellion as a russian plot, never an organic political action.

We are dealing with fanatics blind to the world as it exists.

Democrats: Death camps half full.

Republicans: Death camps half empty.

The politicians work for the public not the other way. No one has any obligation to vote for Trump or Kamala and telling people to vote Kamala no matter what won't change that.

Its not like the genocide is happening under Trump, it's happening under a Democratic President.

And making comparison between something necessary for the country to function (income tax) to something that is a waste of resources (the MIC) is ridiculous.

"look, this is germany, there is no candidate that the party will allow that doesn't want to cleanse the jews. it may not be nice, but that's just political reality. how do you not understand that?"

So voting does or does not matter then I'm awfully confused

Please do not click the link and read the comments.

It's so fucking bad.

This is exactly how average Nazis felt. Not the officers or concentration camp officers (well maybe some of them), but the regular folks who accepted the evils of their government because it was "just the way it is." And they were still Nazis and share some of the responsibility.

Every single person who says this should be told "Then the logical conclusion is insurrection to topple the government that dictates that genocide is an inescapable political reality. Anything short of that and you don't give a shit."

So the candidate doesn’t support the issues I care about, on the handful of positions they’re semi-decent on they’re not willing to do what it takes vis a vis the courts and/or the filibuster in order to make them happen. What am I supposed to be voting based on? Vibes?

And then one fine day the bourgeoisie is awakened by a terrific boomerang effect: the gestapos are busy, the prisons fill up, the torturers standing around the racks invent, refine, discuss. People are surprised, they become indignant. They say: "How strange! But never mind—it's Nazism, it will pass!" And they wait, and they hope; and they hide the truth from themselves, that it is barbarism, the supreme barbarism, the crowning barbarism that sums up all the daily barbarisms; that it is Nazism, yes, but that before they were its victims, they were its accomplices; that they tolerated that Nazism before it was inflicted on them, that they absolved it, shut their eyes to it, legitimized it, because, until then, it had been applied only to non-European peoples; that they have cultivated that Nazism, that they are responsible for it, and that before engulfing the whole edifice of Western, Christian civilization in its reddened waters, it oozes, seeps, and trickles from every crack.

— Aimé Césaire, Discourse on Colonialism (1950)

Feel like the obvious response here is "what do we have the power to change then?" Because healthcare isn't up for debate either, or ending the regime of daily extrajudicial street executions, or doing anything to ease extreme poverty, or even reproductive rights when you consider the balance of the supreme court...

You have to love the ghouls!! You have to love the ghouls running this country!! The people in charge mean everything and nothing at once!! Your frustrations are just about you!!

Objectively on issues of immigration, policing, war, and welfare cuts (I'm sorry welfare "expirations") the Biden admin has been worse than the previous Trump admin, the data is in, the dems took Trump's policies and ran with them

The only remaining argument dems have to distinguish themselves from Trump is that he "EMPOWERS" the right-wing and "EMBOLDENS" white nationalists.....good argument, because it was/is true

But that argument as a reason to vote died after Oct 7th, now a dem victory WILL also embolden the right-wing; specifically the genocidal right-wing of the Democratic Party who for decades have been looking for a right-wing mandate to reorganize the party into a proper business first imperial party, and despite their unpopularity with the proles if they win under the shadow of genocide than that is a mandate under every definition of the word

Doesn't matter if their unpopularity soars and they lose every election after from 2028 to the collapse, they and the media that serve them will proceed as if every democratic voter is a die-hard zionist and will never ever in a million years budge on genocide, war, policing, immigration, etc

Even the rhetoric will start to shift, because why not, "they voted for genocide, they'll vote for anything" the right-wing dems will ride that high for as long as they remain a cohesive party and who's gonna nay-say them? The media? AOC lmao?

Trump is a threat, but the "progressive" movement can survive him and most likely will grow organizing against him

But if the dems win, the progressives are permanently dead on the national stage until collapse conditions metastasize, to say nothing of actual radical orgs who will suffer under an empowered right-wing dem party with a genocidal mandate

That subreddit has gone to shit. I guess Palestine and the Israeli genocide of Palestine was just a flavour of the month issue for liberals, that must now quickly be forgotten about as elections draw near.

Motherfuckers whose single issue is "not Trump" complaining about "sInGLe IsSuE vOTeRs" who won't countenance support for genocide.

When the ruling class decides something is not up for debate we should just accept it and roll over I guess

The pitch 6 months ago used to be that you should support the democratic nominee because they were the one best equiped to end the violence.

We're now at a point where even ride or die blue voters can't even lie to themselves about how this is going to play out and the new pitch is hold your nose and vote for less/slower genocide.

Where the fuck do you think we'll be in another year?

Mandem upvoted a post putting unconditional support for a genocidal apartheid state (something even reagan pushed back harder on than these chucklefucks) on the same level as income tax "not up for debate" and still think you're voting against fascism? Bruh looks like you've convinced yourself its already there you just don't realise it yet. The things up for debate are your reproductive rights among other rights like healthcare etc. Genocide isn't. The other ones like social security and worker rights are up for grabs. Increased oil drilling to burn this planet to hell is happening under biden and kamala. Genocide and endless war however not up for debate. And you think this is a position of power?

The concept of politician having to earn votes is so lost on libs. I'm gonna take a self-care day off and go hiking on election day. Neither candidate earns my vote. What is it that is so hard to grasp.

we don't have the power to change everything

Brother Mao has some thoughts on this topic, particularly regarding the sources of political power.

support for israel is like taxes