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[–] 99 points 2 years ago (69 children)

"Know" is a stretch. Plants respond to attack by releasing chemicals (e.g. nettles and grasses), curling or retracting their leaves (e.g. acacia), or by changing their morphology (e.g. holly); but they have no nervous system - let alone a brain - so it's not like you're killing an animal.

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  • [–] 106 points 2 years ago* (24 children)

    Plants having no nervous system is being challenged with the idea that the plant itself is its central nervous system.

    They react to stimulus, they emit sounds (different ones when in “pain”), and communicate with each other.

    They don’t have consciousness in a way we understand

    I dont mean this as a “dunk” but more of a how neat is that

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  • [–] 41 points 2 years ago* (19 children)

    It's always funny to me how people eat up the concept of a distrubuted neural network in tech but scoff at the same idea applying to something like a tree or a fungus.

    Pando is the largest organism by area, and the Humungous Fungus is the largest by mass. The idea that those organisms don't "think" in some way is laughable.

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    [–] 75 points 2 years ago

    Lemmyworld admins be like

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  • [–] 51 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Carnivores eat animals that eat a lot more plants than humans could ever eat.

    That's why I only eat baby animals. They only drink milk, which hurts no one.

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    [–] 46 points 2 years ago (20 children)

    Let's assume for a moment that somehow your salad was conscious. That's an even bigger reason not to eat an animal that has to be fed on plants for a long time.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago (14 children)

    Or maybe its just a fundamental fact of life that something has to die in order for you to live and virtue signaling about the degree to which you participate in that death is a pointless exercise.

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  • [–] 35 points 2 years ago (10 children)

    Ah yes, the old "I accidentally stepped on a fly, might as well exterminate the whole biosphere" defense

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  • [–] 21 points 2 years ago

    This logic doesn't make sense in any other context. Like, if I say we should try to reduce CO2 levels in the atmosphere, you could point out that emitting CO2 is a fundamental part of human life, so something something virtue signaling blah blah blah. Just because something is unavoidable to a certain degree doesn't mean we shouldn't try to minimize it.

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  • [–] 19 points 2 years ago*

    Or maybe there's happy middle where everyone can live comfortably while keeping the harm we cause at a minimum.

    Or, at the most selfish, we could make sure we don't kill ourselves this decade or the next.

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    [–] 45 points 2 years ago (12 children)

    Everybody needs to eat stuff. And if it is about reducing pain and having a better climate impact, you should plants all the way. A cow eats 50 times the amount of plants that it gives back in meat.

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    [–] 39 points 2 years ago (72 children)

    hey vegans, cool fact, plant based diets are vastly more efficient and effective at feeding people than meat based diets.

    Meat consumes plants to exist, most of that energy is lost. Not so much with plants.

    Just start telling people this shit lmao. Who cares about morality when you can pretend to be saving the environment instead.

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    There's a type of person that thinks Joe Rogan is clever because they agree with him.

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  • [–] 35 points 2 years ago (11 children)

    "Plants rights activists" out in full force in this thread lol

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    [–] 29 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    There's no way this won't restart the same argument with someone, huh? Top-tier shitpost, well done.

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    [–] 27 points 2 years ago (6 children)

    That's why I only eat fungi. It'll be reciprocal eventually.

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    [–] 22 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (4 children)

    I mean if you stretch the definition enough even cells know they are being eaten. they usually respond by "shit this cant be good, I better press this big red button"

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    [–] 20 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    Yo fuck that propagandist piece of shit Joe Rogan. Keep him off of my feed.

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    [–] 20 points 2 years ago (1 child)

    There was a Hungarian cult that convinced others that people can survive by eating light. There were some deaths and was quickly shut down, but they exist forever in anorexia-related jokes.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago

    I think you're talking about Breatherism? There've been a couple of those cults all over Europe. It's not particularly popular, luckily, but they often make it to the newspapers, because someone usually dies.

    It originates from Hinduism though. There's a another Indian religion called Jainism. These are the monks you see brushing away the beetles before their feet, to not step on them. It's very much about nature and spiritualism and being good. Fasting is a key concept of this religion and the most extreme cases will choose to fast until death to cleanse the world. This is all very spiritual though and takes years of preparation.

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  • [–] 19 points 2 years ago (21 children)

    Those poor cats. Vegans shouldn't be allowed to own meat.

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    [–] 15 points 2 years ago

    Ew, Joe Rogan.

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  • [–] 14 points 2 years ago

    Do y'all not eat vegetables too?

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago

    Joe Rogan 🤮

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  • [–] 13 points 2 years ago

    Their fault for dressing so sexy

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  • [–] 11 points 2 years ago

    That's not how knowledge works.

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  • [–] 10 points 2 years ago

    Finally we have one thing to pin on like 3 weird vegans.

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