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Okay I know this sounds like click bait but trust me switching over to linux requires you to first master the open source software that you will be replacing your windows/mac counterparts with. Doing it in an unfamiliar OS with no fallback to rely on is tough, frustrating and will turn you off of trying linux. DISCLAIMER: I know that some people cannot switch to linux because open source / Linux software is not good enough yet. But I urge you to keep track of them and when so you can know when they are good enough.

The Solution

So I suggest you keep using windows, switch all your apps to open or closed source software that is available on linux. Learn them, use them and if you are in a pinch and need to use your windows only software it will still be there. Once you are at a point where you never use the windows only software you can then think of switching over to linux.

The Alternatives

So to help you out I'll list my favorites for each use case.

MS Office -> Only Office

  1. Not for folks who use obscure macros and are deep into MS Office
  2. Has Collaboration and integration with almost all popular cloud services..
  3. Has a MS Office like UI and the best compatibility with MS Office.

Adobe Premiere -> Da Vinci Resolve

  1. It is closed source but available on linux
  2. Great UI, competitive features and a free version

Outlook -> Thunderbird

  1. Recently went through massive updates and now has a modern design.
  2. Templates, multi account management, content based filters, html signatures, it is all there.

Epic Games, GOG, PRIME -> Heroic

  1. Easy to use, 1 click install, no hassel
  2. Beautiful UI
  3. Automatically imports all the games you have bought

PDF Editor -> LibreOffice Draw

  1. Suprisingly good for text manipulation, moving around images and alot more.
  2. There might be slight incompatibilities (I haven't noticed anything huge)
  3. But hey, it's free

How do I pick a distro there are so many! NO

So finally after switching all the apps you think you are ready? Do not fall into the rabbit hole of changing your entire OS every two days, you will be in a toxic relationship with it.

I hate updates and my hardware is not that new

  1. Mint - UI looks a bit dated but it is rock solid
  2. Ubuntu - Yes, I know snaps are bad, but you can just ignore them

I have new hardware but I want sane updates

  1. Fedora
  2. Open Suse Tumbleweed

I live on the bleeding edge baby, both hardware and software

  1. Arch ... btw

Anyways what is more important is the DE than the distro for a beginner, trust me. Gnome, KDE, Cinnamon, etc. you can try them all in a VM and see which one you like.

SO TLDR: Don't switch to linux! Switch to linux apps.

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[–] [email protected] 88 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Was ready to downvote but this is actually a really good guide, well done OP! The one issue I will raise, though, because I faced it myself, is that as long as you're still using Windows, it is way too easy to just go back to using the Windows programs not the open source ones. Only through switching to Linux can you really "throw yourself into the deep end" and force yourself to learn these new things. Microsoft has made themselves the "path of least resistance" (or at least that of "most momentum" for a reason) and if you've been using a computer for a while, it's a lot easier to break the habits and realise the benefits by giving yourself no other option than it is by trying to discipline yourself into using the new options.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago

Agreed, this has been my experience as well. I tried switching to full time Linux multiple times. I had already used it on my laptop for years but on my desktop I kept going back to Windows because things on Windows just worked the way I wanted and thought that for some things there weren't any Linux alternatives.

That was until two years ago I challenged myself to only use Linux for a month. I've been using Linux on my desktop ever since and only use Windows now and then to play a single game that doesn't work on Linux due to anti cheat.

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[–] [email protected] 65 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Use libreoffice over open office.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Seconded, why not OnlyOffice? (maybe parent commenter got names confused 🤷‍♂️ no judgement)

as for OpenOffice vs Libre Office— IIRC Libre has more recent development on it, which IMHO feels like a good sign for open source software; it’s kept more up to date

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago

But what about Only Office?

[–] [email protected] 64 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (6 children)

I don't understand the difficulty. My kid who used Windows for at least 7 years installed Ubuntu and just started using it. Why is this difficult for people? I helped him boot the computer from a USB stick and that's it.

Here is the app store, install programs from here.

Ok.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I think some folk want to pretend using Linux is hard so that they can feel more... Uh... Technical for using it.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago (9 children)

It's actually hilarious how disconnected some Linux folks are lmao

The average person

  • doesn't know what an operating system is
  • can barely work with windows, has had many struggles learning windows
  • is scared of change
  • doesn't know about the existence of a BIOS
  • will never be able to boot anything else but default by themselves
  • doesn't know how to troubleshoot anything about computers
  • literally does not know or care about the existence of Linux

I know these things are changing, but anyone saying people are able to switch to Linux by themselves and its easy and doable for the average person is fucking delusional, this post is one of the most reasonable takes I've seen on the sub

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (4 children)

If all you do is browse the web, as is the case for a a lot of people, the OS does not matter. Heck, my neighbor does not even have a computer, does everything on his phone.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Yup, I think a lot of people just use their web browser for everything, and they can definitely just switch. Outside of work, how many non-techies have set up their email to use a native program? Very few, in my experience.

I think documents are sometimes the exception, since there's a sizable (perhaps older) group that like to use Word for everything.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

My mom is 80 years old and I got her on Mint years ago - mostly because I was tired of fixing the mistakes Windows let her make.

My mom is a walking disaster with computers but she got used to it and now she can't mess up anything, and she doesn't worry about messing up anything anymore too. If she can do it, anyone can do it.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I switched as a kid too, but that makes it really easy because I never ended up depending on a bunch of proprietary Windows only apps. I never learned stuff like Photoshop and Illustrator and Premiere, not even on pirated versions like most kids do. Photoshop CS2 technically ran under wine but the experience was so miserable I learned GIMP instead. My last Windows was XP.

The older you get the more "serious" software you have too, like tax stuff, the whole Windows-centered workflow at work. The deeper you are into the ecosystem the worse it is.

The issue I see over and over and over is not that using Linux in itself is that hard, it's dealbreaker software and hardware. Oh your capture card isn't supported. Your audio mixer's not supported. It sucks. So basically what OP said: you have to switch to Linux friendly software first, then it's basically just swapping the OS and not flipping your entire computing experience over.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

The thing is alot of people who work really well in the windows environment and have been doing so for a while will now have to face both a new environment and new tools. Then there is the problem of time ... If you are trying to work while also troubleshooting your OS with none of the tools that you know how to troubleshoot with it could be frustrating.

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Being a linux user for 23 years and a linux promoter and installer for newbies, I don't agree with so many of your recommendations and priorities.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 3 months ago

Seriously, OP sounds like they taste tested a handful of open software options and wanted to share, but had to implicate the newbie decision of windows vs Linux somewhere.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 3 months ago

My concern with this take is that it positions the switch as all downsides. You do not get any of the Linux benefits, just the compromised experience on Windows. You may decide it is not worth it even before switching.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 3 months ago (1 children)

A better title would be "The best way to switch to Linux is slowly."

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago

But muh clickbait

[–] [email protected] 28 points 3 months ago (1 children)

So you’ve just posted your personal choices as though they were THE way to go. There are countless alternatives for everything. Just making that clear.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago

It reads like a good starting point for someone who wants to get away from Microsoft but has no experience with Linux, though. While Linux and OpenSource software are getting more and more beginner friendly, the amount of choices can make it difficult for newbies to even find out that Linux programs (be they FOSS or not) exist that can do what they need.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 3 months ago (2 children)

I keep trying to explain how Linux advocacy gets the challenges of mainstream Linux usage wrong and, while I appreciate the fresh take here, I'm afraid that's still the case.

Effectively this guide is: lightly compromise your Windows experience for a while until you're ready, followed by "here's a bunch of alien concepts you don't know or care about and actively disprove the idea that it's all about the app alternatives."

I understand why this doesn't read that way to the "community", but parse it as an outsider for a moment. What's a snap? Why are they bad? Why would I hate updates? Aren't updates automatic as they are in Windows? Why would I ever pick the hardware-incompatible distros? What's the tradeoff supposed to be, does that imply there is a downside to Mint over Ubuntu? It sure feels like I need to think about this picking a distro thing a lot more than the headline suggested. Also, what's a DE and how is that different to a distro? Did they just say I need a virtual machine to test these DE things before I can find one that works? WTF is that about?

Look, I keep trying to articulate the key misunderstanding and it's genuinely hard. I think the best way to put it is that all these "switch to Linux, it's fun!" guides are all trying to onboard users to a world of fun tinkering as a hobby. And that's great, it IS fun to tinker as a hobby, to some people. But that's not the reason people use Windows.

If you're on Windows and mildly frustrated about whatever MS is doing that week, the thing you want is a one button install that does everything for you, works first time and requires zero tinkering in the first place. App substitutes are whatever, UI changes and different choices in different DEs are trivial to adapt to (honestly, it's all mostly Windows-like or Mac-like, clearly normies don't particularly struggle with that). But if you're out there introducing even a hint of arguments about multiple technical choices, competing standards for app packages or VMs being used to test out different desktop environments you're kinda missing the point of what's keeping the average user from stepping away from their mainstream commercial OS.

In fairness, this isn't the guide's fault, it's all intrinsic to the Linux desktop ecosystem. It IS more cumbersome and convoluted from that perspective. If you ask me, the real advice I would have for a Windows user that wants to consider swapping would be: get a device that comes with a dedicated Linux setup out of the box. Seriously, go get a Steam Deck, go get a System76 laptop, a Raspberry Pi or whatever else you can find out there that has some flavor of Linux built specifically for it and use that for a bit. That bypasses 100% of this crap and just works out of the box, the way Android or ChromeOS work out of the box. You'll get to know whether that's for you much quicker, more organically and with much less of a hassle that way... at the cost of needing new hardware. But hey, on the plus side, new hardware!

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Fuck all that.

Install Linux, any flavor. Install virtualbox, and set up a Windows VM. Go ahead and install any of your windows bullshit on that VM. That's your crutch, your failsafe: a windows instance that you don't have to leave Linux to access.

Save snapshots before and after any changes, so if/when it goes to shit, you can roll it back to where it was still working.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Or, conversely, just switch to Linux.

Take an hour or so to have a look around the place.

Go on the internet if you have any questions.

People are smarter than you assume and if you want Linux to grow in popularity we need to stop pretending any if this is difficult.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I just want to add, obviously I am not an expert in every field in the world and cannot find an alternative for everything but if you do want to do some research sites like alternativeto.net are great resources.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Another option if you have a laptop and desktop is to test the waters slowly with the laptop, and keep your desktop as is. It's what I did for a long while to get used to things on Linux.

If there is a critical problem with my Linux instalation on my laptop, it's OK because all the real stuff I care about is still on the desktop. So I'm free to wipe the laptop at a moments notice. It's the easiest way to learn in my experience.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago (6 children)

Avoiding snaps on Ubuntu sadly is not an option anymore. Maybe go for pop!_os Instead of Ubuntu.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Strongly recommend a KDE-based distro if coming from Windows.

Gnome is too janky when you're used to the workflow in Windows. It's almost like Windows 8, which nobody uses if they can help it.

KDE is just way more familiar.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago

Or Cinnamon! IMO it feels less overwhelming than KDE to people coming from Windows.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago (1 children)

This is what I've unknowingly been doing. All my open source apps are in Linux. The transition was pretty smooth.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 months ago (2 children)

You already use Draw to replace publisher in your list so why not use the rest of the Libre Office Suite?

Note: this belongs more in a Windows community than a Linux one. The people here would already use Gnu/Linux or Google/Linux

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Great write-up, but in my opinion this is exactly the wrong way around.
That way, you don't gain anything from your "switch" up front.
Better to switch to Linux and keep the apps you know wherever possible. Office, Teams, Photoshop, Lightroom and many others are available as web apps now. For many others, there are versions ported to Linux or running well in Wine. Finally, Gnome Boxes makes it trivial to integrate a small 50GB Windows VM to run apps where there's no other option.
Then you can slowly migrate to Linux-specific open source tools, in your own time.

It helps if you can get away from an app-centric view of computing to a result-centric view:
You don't need MS Office, you want to create/edit documents, tables or presentations.
You don't need Photoshop, you want to edit images.
You don't need Outlook, you want to connect to Exchange.
Almost all tasks are possible to do on Linux if you change your workflow a bit. Some aren't, especially when you're forced to collaborate with others in a professional setting. In that case, you can still minimize your Windows usage to what's necessary, by using Wine, web apps, dual-booting, using 2 devices, running a Windows VM inside Linux, or running a Linux VM inside Windows, depending on your needs.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Davinci Resolve is not a solution for at least 60% of the people who would move to Linux. The new version has trouble working on Debian-based systems (even with the various scripts and workarounds that exist), and it requires an nvidia card with lots of GBs of VRAM (while it does work on Windows with Intel/AMD without big problems). So I'd never suggest Resolve to someone moving to Linux unless they're going to use Fedora, and have a recent nvidia card. For everyone else, there's KDENLive and Shotcut. Which are way worse in the things they can do compared to Resolve (especially when it comes to professional color grading and audio plugins specifically for human speech), but that's the situation we're in.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago

Enough with your psyop, Bill. Go back to trying to cure malaria to atone for your past sins.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 months ago

I would say: "Don't switch to Linux. Just start with Linux and never use Windows or Mac in the first place"

Don't have to get used to something if you've never used something else.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

... as someone who completely involuntary switches everyones computers I manage for some reason (ie extended family mostly) to Linux ... normies don't care that much.

No asking, no thinking, just Linux.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Because if you just set it up for them, they don’t have to think about the million choices of Linux. Tell them „here browser, there office and there files“ and most people above 40 probably won’t care.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 months ago

I would still say dual booting is the superior option, but that might be complicated for some people, so this is probably a good recommendation.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 months ago (5 children)

Dual booting is also an option.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago (3 children)

tl;dw:

Improvise (but not really). Adapt. Overcome.

Then again, I'd rather go for a much "cleaner" approach and suggest new users to "unlearn" the bad habits learnt by using Windows. Which is the "click once and forget" mentality, along many others.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

Remember, annotating PDF is fine but editing PDF is not fine. .doc or .odt files are supposed to be edited. PDF files are supposed to be printed or filled (fill the blanks). If you require editing a pdf, someone in the process is making a mistake.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 months ago

OnlyOffice is problematic. They abuse additional clauses in the AGPL license to make code redistribution impossible. Thus, effectively making the software source-available freeware while still profiting from the Free Software image.

[–] Mwa 8 points 3 months ago (3 children)
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[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago

Or just install Linux.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I want to use Thunderbird but my university won't let me log into my email outside of Outlook... So dumb.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

I get what you're trying to say but I disagree with this. Software can be a barrier to switching OS but it very much depends on the individual user's needs - it's not as easy as substituting open source for closed, and is only part of the difference anyway. For example, I use Outlook at work; Thunderbird is great but it is in no way a substitute for Outlook. Similarly, I use Microsoft Office 365 at work; OnlyOffice is in no way a substitute for an individual user (it can be for a whole business or for personal use, but not if you're tied in to an organisation or employer using Office). If you're tied into those platforms with work, then for occasional use you can just use the online versions of Microsoft Office in Linux via a web browser. And if you need to work from home or do more, then realistically you need to have Windows and access to the full suite installed locally.

But software does not preclude switching to Linux; for example I dual boot between Windows and Linux on my home PC. I have an M.2 drive for Windows and another M.2 drive for Linux. I rarely use Windows at all now, but when I do it's if for some reason I need to be doing work related stuff from home or rarely if I can't get a game working in Linux. In Linux I can do all my web browsing, social media, video streaming, music listening, even gaming and I know I'm doing so privately and securely.

I'd say the best way to switch to Linux is to switch to Linux. New users do not have to be "all in" - they can dual boot between Linux and Windows (or MacOS and Linux), and then have a low level of risk to try out the OS. It can even be beneficial in itself as they can compartmentalise work and free time by OS. And if they don't want to dual boot, then just try it out by virtualisation.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 months ago

Is it people that want to switch away from Windows or switch to Linux?

In my case it was the former, having spent a lot of time on FreeBSD so in 2007 I bought a Macbook Pro running OSX 10.3. This gave me most of what I wanted and when I needed something Windows (XP) specific I installed a VM running under Parallels, then Virtual Box. I was able to run most of the open source software at that time such as Open Office, Firefox, Thunderbird in preference to the Apple supplied apps.

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