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EDIT: we just crossed 30K 🥳
We are now at 28.5K users (see https://lemmy.fediverse.observer/list). The top 10 instances also got a decent boost in user count. With the exception of beehaw.org which defederated, the Fediverse is thriving 🔥
Funny thing for me, is that Beehaw was the first bit of the Fediverse I ever came across. Tried to sign up, twice, didn't work. So that's how I ended up on .world, the first group I found that didn't want an essay to sign up.
I was on beehaw until they defederated, just seemed like the wrong answer to me and one that will just end up being damaging to Lemmy, especially the way they went about it.
Defederation is kind of a core concept of Lemmy isn’t it?
Well if I didn't understand that I'd not be on this instance now. I just didn't like how they did it with 0 warning when those instances were increasingly a big part of my Lemmy experience, and they could have just asked for people to volunteer as mods. Regardless of how I feel about it, the reason it's damaging is because of how people who don't understand it will view it.
Yeah. People struggle with the idea of "independent websites" when you can view posts from them on other websites.
And when there isn't a hedge fund backing them.
A server has every right to run however they want. I agree.
What I have a problem with are the server discovery tools and sites still listing beehaw as if it is participating in the fedeverse the same way as all of the other truly open servers.
It is, but also federating is a core-er concept of Lemmy
I was on beehaw too. I'm not happy with the defederation but I understand.
I left but I'm happy it's great if it's working for them. This is why a federation is great, there is option for everyone.
I like lemmy.world because it seems to be neutral and doesn't have heavy handed moderators. Communities are allowed to bloom and grow. It's scalable.
I respect what Beehaw wants to do, but their goals are not realistic if they want to be a platform of any significant size.
So far I also like the communities I've seen on Lemmy.ml, but there have been a lot of technical/server issues.
but their goals are not realistic if they want to be a platform of any significant size.
As I understand it, they don't care about being big, they care about having a community of people that align to their principles.
Problem is, if you don't pay too much attention to their server description, you might not realize what their principles are.
I think they got so big because many people were just trying to join any instance under the massive influx, without thinking much about it, and beehaw became much bigger than they intended to be (or expected).
Now that they have defederated from lemmy.world and sh.itjust.works, people "not intended" to be there are leaving, that should bring them "more down" than they currently are, I think that's what they actually want.
Beehaw controls their sign-ups. What they don't like are people they have not vetted commenting on posts in their communities. They don't like it because some people were 'trolling and spamming' and they can't keep up with the moderation.
They have 4 admin ls trying to do everything and they are not going to open up until they get moderation tools that make it possible to run a large site with just those 4 people.
Basically, they don't have a philosophy of running a server that is compatible with being in a federated environment.
They are not intended to be a large site, at all.
Whether that's compatible with federation or not, I don't know, but I honestly couldn't care less and I don't get why some people still think it's a big deal.
There were 2 big communities of value on their server but there are already growing alternatives elsewhere, so everything is fine in my book, that's the beauty of the fediverse IMO.
It is only a big deal if new people.sign up there, get a poor impression of what lemmy is, and never try any other lemmy experience again.
That is what the big deal is. People want lemmy to be successful and to grow into a network of servers with good participation.
I dont care what beehaw does, I just feel they should not be listed on discovery sites while they are not sanely federated.
Only because its one of the very few you can actually create an account on because of the mass migrations.
also because it seems sustainable with the donations and Ruud is a gigachad
@[email protected] and his team need to get some applause. It is not easy to scale with how quickly lemmy.world is growing.
Don't forget to donate if you can. I think the links are in his account bio.
I think the links are in his account bio.
also on the sidebar when you go to the homepage
Hats off to the creator of LW, it can’t be easy running a server this big. I do hope we don’t just dominate the fediverse though, would kinda defeat the purpose of it.
Kbin.social user chiming in here! I haven't checked out Lemmy but I'm content with what kbin offers me so far.
If I browsed mostly on a laptop or desktop then kbin is great. On mobile I think it's just barely passable and I was quite annoyed not having a dedicated app.
I use both so far, but prefer Kbin (the UI/design is much better IMO). It's especially nice that it's compatible enough that we're posting this on lemmy.world :-)
We are also the biggest lemmy instance that still accepts signups ATM
@AlmightySnoo
I'd rather not see one instance become overly dominant, it just acts to centralize content and puts undue strain on that instance.
Thing is, as long as it's not possible to merge similar communities from different instances, large instances are actually preferable from a User uxperience point of view.
@AlmightySnoo fediverse is supposed to scale with more servers, not bigger servers
Rather, more instances, not servers. An instance can scale out using as many servers as the owner can tolerate.
I certainly wouldn’t want to be the one managing a horizontally scaled fediverse instance on a cloud platform though, that shit adds up fast, and no way in hell is anyone going to donate here.
I honestly don’t get how that’s supposed to work indefinitely, that’s usually where ad money comes in and… god dammit we’re back to square one lol. I’m here for a good time, not a long time 😎
I enjoy everything being in one place but it seems to defeat the purpose of the fediverse.
It’s gotta start somewhere though. It makes sense that as refugees flock over they’ll gravitate towards the largest instance, because the expectation is that’s where the usage is and they don’t yet grok how the Fediverse works. As they settle in, I’d expect a number of them to spread out a bit. Once we can migrate accounts I’d expect the load to be distributed even better.
Load would not be distributed though right? Because all the user data / activity would just be copied to every federating instance. Fediverse is more about redundancy & lack of centralized control, rather than load balancing.
And to think I made this account because it was a nice small instance with only 100 active users. That worked out well.
Where's the Dodge!? That was the best part about this meme.
check https://fedidb.org/current-events/threadiverse instead, we have MUCH more users than you think.
Edit: also note that beehaw isn't completely defederated. They only defederated from sh.itjust.works and Lemmy.world.
They defederated from dozens of instances actually
Obviously censorship of any variety is a slippery slope, but holy hell some of what's listed there is problematic. If I joined Beehaw in the hopes of enjoying a safe community for various minority groups like they are trying to promote, I'd feel decidedly un-safe seeing posts from skinhead instances and others with outright racial slurs in the names.
i'd rather have a mesh of small-ish instances instead of several huge ones, that aside the more people the better.
I think that will be a lot more feasible if the capability to migrate user accounts between instances is added.
Right now for a new user joining the fediverse, the largest instances are the best option since they are the most likely to remain up and federated with most other instances. Why would you join some random smaller instance when there’s a clearly established one already there?
Making it possible to change instances would remove some of this friction - then your choice of initial instance isn’t important.
I like the small instance I belong to. It's represented by one or two of those buildings in that picture and that's okay.
We are all in this together.
Yeah, Ruud seems like a cool dude, and lemmy.world has been rock stable for me.
I signed up for both kbin.social and Lemmy.world as I'm figuring things out. So I'm sure there's plenty of cross over between the members of each community. I just wonder how much.
Wish I could actually log into my lemmy.world account on desktop. Works in Jervoa, but neither Chrome, nor FF let me get past the spinning wheel of the login button.
I've ended up making accounts all over the place since I started over a week ago, just recently found an instance for my country so that's my new home! I freaking love this fediverse, feels good man
LOL let’s hope it is one of the big servers. Need to spread users around.
