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[–] [email protected] 82 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The fact that this demented asshole is still free is a stain on the American justice system.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 year ago

We can thank Trump for commuting his sentence

Nothing like a little abuse of power on your way out the door

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

These are the people Conservatives trust the most.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's so goddamn weird and tribal. It would be like if Democratic voters defended Rod Blagojevich to the death or something.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Conservatives have pit themselves in a bubble where they rarely are exposed to reality. Talk Radio, Fox News, and FB all prevent them from getting a true picture of things. Ask any Conservative about the U.S. Border and they think millions of people are walking right in every day. Across all US borders it's actually small groups and it's about 4000 to 10000 a month coming to the border. That's far below what it was under Trump when 160,000 were showing up.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

If you're from a town of 3,000, 10,000 people sounds really scary, even though it isn't a lot of people - especially if you're xenophobic.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In Seattle we have a busy road where all (I mean a lot at all times of day) of the prostitutes hang out to get business. The demographic has gotten really young and I wonder if they're part of the missing families, they're about the right age.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Aurora? It's always been that way. In the early 1990's it was really bad.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

It's been really bad lately though. I've seen 15 girls per block for about a mile and they're really young. It's different.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 1 year ago

yeah and all the "problems" with America are soooo fucking external to them.. Like they are never confronted with drag shows or LGBTQ stuff in general. They'll say things like "you see what's going on in San Fransico" and I'm like.. NO.. I don't live there lol..

Like they consume ONLY this nonese..

You see it on reddits /r/conservative and other the_donald wannabe subs. They just non stop talking about gay and trans stuff and I'm in a very liberal city and literally never see any of this supposed "wokeness" or w/e they are so scared of.

It's like they are living in an alternative reality it's very strange.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There are many such stains

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

It's stains all the way down.

[–] [email protected] 68 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Convicted criminal Roger Stone is a villain. He has always been criminal.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm still weirded out by the fact that he's got a large tattoo of Nixon on his back

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

He definitely also has a Trump stamp

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Eww, but great pun!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yeah, Stone was one of the original ratfuckers back in the 60's and they've only gotten more dangerous since then :(

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

Not punishing anyone so "the nation could heal" worked as well for fixing the underlying problems that led to the the Nixon scandal as it did for the Civil War.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 year ago

That fucker and his Brooks Brothers (Proto-Proud Boys) stole the 2000 election, , and Facebook's VP of Public policy, Joel Kaplan, was one of those rioters.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago

Man belongs in jail, and would be there if Trump hadn't pardoned him. Jack has to get him.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Of all people, you'd think Roger Stone would know better than to make tapes.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

Nah, they're great leverage with the feds when you want a plea deal.

Yeah man I recorded the whole coup organizing effort, I just wasn't actually part of it wink wink.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago

What delicious irony would it be if pardoning Stone led directly to a conviction for Trump.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You mean he was taking notes on a criminal conspiracy? Clearly someone didn't watch The Wire.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

r/TheWire is one of my most missed parts of reddit. Years after the show ended it was still actively "are you taking notes on a criminal mf'n conspiracy?"

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago

Why people don't understand that this is exactly why he was let out of jail is bafling to me. Watch the documentary on the Bush/Gore election of 2000. It's almost a play-by-play of what happened after the 2020 election, but on a smaller scale. The dude needs to be thrown into a non-pardonable hole for the rest of his poisonous existence.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

How is this guy out of jail?

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago

Trump pardoned him.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


A video obtained by MSNBC shows Donald Trump’s former political advisor Roger Stone dictating the rationale behind a plan to undermine the certification of Electoral College votes days before the outcome of the 2020 election was announced.

On Monday, Donald Trump and 18 of his associates were indicted in a sprawling RICO case in Georgia alleging that the former president and his allies engaged in a criminal enterprise with the goal of overturning the results of the 2020 election.

While Stone is not a defendant in the indictment, it does mention 30 unnamed unindicted co-conspirators, and focuses heavily on the plot to use fake electors to subvert the results of the vote in key battleground states.

The day before the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol, where the fake electors scheme came to its violent crescendo, Trump demanded his then-Chief of Staff Mark Meadows (who was also indicted on Monday) place a call to Stone.

Days before the riot took place, Stone was present during a call where his aide encouraged Trump supporters and allies of the former president to “descend on the Capitol,” on Jan. 6, 2021.

Trump pardoned Stone days before his 40 months prison sentence was set to begin, literally freeing him up to aid in his reelection effort.


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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Why is someone allowed to record this? At first I thought it was happening without being noticed, but then the cameraperson moves and even moves again to record the laptop screen. Wtf? Trump is famously all about avoiding a paper trail, so this seems like it would be verboten.

ETA: this is a serious question. Can someone come up with an explanation for why this was allowed to happen?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Original source on MSNBC:

https://www.msnbc.com/the-beat-with-ari/watch/see-trump-vet-roger-stone-pushing-elector-plot-on-tape-beat-exclusive-190982725545

Edit: Skip to 4m 35s for the intro to the video. Video starts at 5m 08s.

Video was taken November 5, 2020 before the election was even called (November 7, 2020). Roger Stone can be seen with an assistant dictating a letter explaining how alternate slates of electors could be used.

Transcribed it as best I could (pauses removed):

Roger Stone (slowly dictating a letter his assistant is seen typing up):

Although state officials in all 50 states must ultimately certify the results of the voting in their state, the final decision as to who the state legislatures authorize be sent to the electoral college is a decision made solely by the legislature.

Any legislative body may decide on the basis of overwhelming evidence of fraud to send electors to the electoral college who accurately reflect the president's legitimately victory in their state which was illegally denied him through fraud.

We must be prepared to lobby our Republican legislatures by personal contact and by demonstrating the overwhelming will of the people in each state that this may need to happen.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Man, I can't stand his smug fucking face. c/punchableface poster child.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

So now Trump's RICO indictment can go after him now.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Nice "What Would Nixon Do" sticker he's got on his laptop, there...

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

It goes with the Nixon tattoo he has

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Roger Stone is definitely on the list of people I would visit if I had a time machine

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I make wine. The wine I make is drinkable a couple months after I get it in bottles, but continues to age and improve as it sits. This process should theoretically continue for years, albeit with diminishing returns. I get just shy of 18 one liter bottles from each 5 gallon batch, once loss in bitting is accounted for. I generally drink or give away my full liter bottles within a few months, but recently I've decided to take that short bottle from each batch and just set it aside for a special occasion that may be years down the line.

So far I've got a Chardonnay labelled "Kissinger", a strawberry mint wine labelled "North", a pineapple upside cake wine labelled "Dubya" and soon a peach Moscato rosé labelled "Stone". It's up to their namesakes when the aging process ends, because whenever these people go wherever it is we all go the average decency of the entire earth will improve so drastically that it will be worth celebrating.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

It's hard to express how much I love this.

"Break open in case of miracle"

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm very interested how you make these wines, cake wine??

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The pineapple upside down cake wine started as an apple wine base and went into secondary fermentation with pineapple juice, maraschino cherries, molasses and birthday cake extract. Unfortunately I haven't yet figured out how to actually squeeze juice from a cake and ferment it.

All the rest are exactly what they say they are. The strawberry mint is strawberry wine with some mint in it, the Moscato rosé is from a kit and has some peach puree.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The giant-ass poster of Nixon makes me think this is fake lol

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Roger Stone is a man who has used disingenuous ploys, since the Nixon administration, to get Republicans elected. He was heavily involved in all the "voter fraud" that Trump liked to rail on about. On an unrelated note, he is also involved in the "voter fraud" that actually occurred on behalf of Donald Trump

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What a clusterfuck. How long was he Trump's advisor?

..You just have to pray Trump gets fucked by the shit in Georgia that he can't pardon away. My 'rents are still in the states and they're very upset about their Republican choice atm lol

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Luckily it's state charges, so any pardon on the federal level won't save him :)

ETA: That's why his cronies are trying to replace the DA in Georgia that indicted him. Hoping to replace her with someone who will just not prosecute

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

It isn't. He has a tattoo of Nixon on his back too.